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|a) RtK 3 then 2? |b) Anki question.

#1
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Heya! Coming closer to the end of RtK 1 I am thinking of the next steps. Only I have a few questions.


Questions:
|a)
I am going to do the movie method. link: http://drmoviemethod.blogspot.com/
Question ANSWERED! thanks!

|b)
Problem solved!
Received a nice deck from a friend! Thanks guys! You helped me with all my problems!
Thanks.

-Mesqueeb

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Edited: 2009-02-02, 8:37 pm
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#2
My recommendation is first 3 then nothing, but if you insist on doing 2, I think it's more useful at the moment to have readings for common kanji (of which a majority, though certainly not all, are in RtK1) than the common kanji that were left for 3.

~J
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#3
I'd go through two then three. Learning to identify phonetic components make learning more kanji useful.

What I think:
RTK2 isn't very well liked around here. We're all big on context. Learn words, not readings. As for RTK3, do you want to wait that much longer before you start with Japanese?

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#4
edit: Will ask these questions somewhere else some other day, just found the movie method's site so have a lot of reading to do there.
Edited: 2009-01-29, 11:37 pm
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#5
to alyks:
(Thanks for the hair! ^^)

Yes I don't mind doing bizzare studies like Heisig which I actually DON'T LEARN Japanese, because I am here for another 6 months in Japan, I can speak fairly good Japanese now, and I have A LOT of free time. I know this is the only time in my entire life when I will have this much free time, so i want to use it to finish all Heisig books. When I go back to Belgium I have 1 more high-school year, and after that I am planning to go to Japan as a university student. So I want during my final year of Belgium to start learning real voc. But until the end of these 6 months I have NO problem with learning No voc or any context related things. But I do have problems with question |b) though. A on-reading review system would even be enough for me, only there might not be such a thing. ^^

-Mesqueeb
Edited: 2009-01-29, 8:49 pm
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#6
If I had to choose, I'd just do RTK2 using Anki. Instead of using kanji chains or memory palaces, I'd make it much easier on my brain and my free time. I'd take each vocabulary word he introduces as an example of an on-yomi, find an example sentence in a dictionary or other verified Good Pile of Japanese Sentences I Trust, and then stick that in my Anki deck, with recognition and production cards. (So a card where I read the sentence with the target kanji in it and have to get the reading right, and a card where the target kanji is in kana, and I have to write the kanji correctly.)

Sort of like this:
for 義 he has 義理 (ぎり)

Reading:
Q:友人に義理を立てる
A: ゆうじんにぎりをたてる
(do one's duty by a friend)

Production:
Q:ゆうじんにぎりをたてる
A:友人に義理を立てる

You can add or subtract as many kanji as you need from the production side. A lot of people just target the the one kanji they're working on, because it can get slow otherwise. I just grabbed this phrase off of the Yahoo dictionary, but you can use whatever source you want. It doesn't even have to be a full sentence, really.

I suppose memory palaces can be really efficient, but rather than spend all that time building another artificial memory construct on top of RTK1, I'd rather spend the time putting sentences in my deck. (Because I'm lazy.) Also, the sentences will give you a better sense of context than studying the words in isolation.

I haven't had much luck with Anki cards of just isolated words. I tend to flunk those a lot, because there are so many homonyms in Japanese. I can't tell if けいたい is 形態 or 携帯. Bah. So I use sentences or phrases.

You'll still get the benefit of the associations of the various groups as you learn them, but to be honest, I'm not so sure that the signal primitives are always that helpful. Sometimes I get confused by 性 and 生 in certain words, as well as 製 and 制 in certain others... and yeah, they're all read せい. Okay, they're helpful for reading, but not always for writing. I should be clearer on that.

That said, I think it's all a question of what suits you best. To be honest, this is all nitpicking on everyone's part. Everyone on this message board has their own individual learning preferences, and they won't hesitate to state them. Big Grin

I like the path of least resistance, and that which requires the least amount of effort on my part. I don't want to have to think too much after a long day, so I don't want to sit there and try to squeeze out the contents of an entire palace to remember a word. I'd rather just train my brain so it sits as close to my brain stem as possible, and give myself electric shocks until I remember it. (No, not really.)
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#7
I say learn readings for ~1500ish kanji via sentences then start on rtk3
Edited: 2009-01-29, 10:42 pm
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#8
Edited my first post a bit.
If someone could help me with questions a and b, thanks a lot!
But up until now also, thanks a lot!

-Mesqueeb
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#9
If you're going to use the movie method, then forget about using either. It will teach you what both of those books teach, only better.
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#10
Thanks so much! I read a bit about the movie method, but not enough to realise that you don't need RtK 2 to use the movie method...
I will just finish my RtK 1, and go on to the movie method. Now only question B remains.

-Mesqueeb
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#11
I am doing RTK2 and don't have any problem with it because he gives you a compound example for every frame. A few of them are repeats, but not anything to be worried about...

After that, RTK3 for me when UH Press reprints it in about 8 months or a year, to fix the 85 pages of errata found on Heisig's site.
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