Can anyone fill me in as to what this refers to?
2009-01-28, 9:16 pm
musigny Wrote:Can anyone fill me in as to what this refers to?Originally: "According to this hypothesis, the learner improves and progresses along the 'natural order' when he/she receives second language 'input' that is one step beyond his/her current stage of linguistic competence. For example, if a learner is at a stage 'i', then acquisition takes place when he/she is exposed to 'Comprehensible Input' that belongs to level 'i + 1'. Since not all of the learners can be at the same level of linguistic competence at the same time, Krashen suggests that natural communicative input is the key to designing a syllabus, ensuring in this way that each learner will receive some 'i + 1' input that is appropriate for his/her current stage of linguistic competence." via
But I think most people here just use it as a shorthand for 'study x amount of new items per card'. Personally, I just use it somewhat like that as well, as a kind of conflation of the first several rules here: http://www.supermemo.com/articles/20rules.htm
The general concern is that adding too many new items in a card results in too many 'fail points', as well as a heavy per card workload, but personally I don't mind that, since I wouldn't know how to quantify what the '+x' encompasses, I just do what I'm comfortable with and don't mind failing a card for the slightest thing, since it doesn't 'cost' me anything, I just restudy whatever point of several that I failed and move on. But I digress. ^_^
Edited: 2009-01-28, 9:27 pm
2009-01-28, 9:32 pm
Its basic meaning, as nest0r says, is as such: something is i+1 if it is slightly beyond your current knowledge; that is, includes a small amount of material that you don't already have a strong grasp on.
It's more significant in SRSing; as alluded to, if you add a sentence that has a new kanji, a new reading, two new vocabulary words and a new grammatical structure, you've introduced five new points of failure; any one of them is sufficient to fail the card, ensuring that it will stay on a very fast rotation for a long time. Contrast with five different sentences which each introduce precisely one of the above new things; as soon as you start learning any one of them, it starts getting scheduled further out and consequently you spend less time reviewing things you do know in order to learn the things you don't.
Though nest0r's opinion is, I believe, a common one, I would take issue with it; people who say failing a card doesn't cost you anything clearly have more free time than I do.
~J
It's more significant in SRSing; as alluded to, if you add a sentence that has a new kanji, a new reading, two new vocabulary words and a new grammatical structure, you've introduced five new points of failure; any one of them is sufficient to fail the card, ensuring that it will stay on a very fast rotation for a long time. Contrast with five different sentences which each introduce precisely one of the above new things; as soon as you start learning any one of them, it starts getting scheduled further out and consequently you spend less time reviewing things you do know in order to learn the things you don't.
Though nest0r's opinion is, I believe, a common one, I would take issue with it; people who say failing a card doesn't cost you anything clearly have more free time than I do.
~J
Edited: 2009-01-28, 9:33 pm
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2009-01-28, 9:35 pm
To put it in a physical mindset analogy: Imagine you lift weights. If you start off at trying to dead lift 300 pounds, you're going get no where and likely not get stronger. If you begin at lifting 50 pounds 45 times as fast as you can. Do this once a week and add about 10 pounds each time. then another day trying to lift 5 times the most weight you can. Just slowly keep adding weight
Another analogy is going out in the sun for 15 minutes one day then increasing the time 1 minute everyday. While on day one 2 hours in the sun will net a week long sun burn, after 2 months of build up, that 2 hours is nothing but a darker tan.
The physical analogy breaks down kind of at the higher numbers. But in reality, it becomes you have to put in more hours to notice improvement over the beginning. A guy that has progressively trained at any physical activity for 1000 hours is going to trump someone with only 100 hours (who'll trump a 10 hour guy).
It's a progressive build like Nest0r points out. As we each approach it our own way, you're going to hear different ways to do it. For myself, I say a sentence should have 1 new concept that you're concerned about. It can be a new phrase, new word, new grammar concept, etc.
Another analogy is going out in the sun for 15 minutes one day then increasing the time 1 minute everyday. While on day one 2 hours in the sun will net a week long sun burn, after 2 months of build up, that 2 hours is nothing but a darker tan.
The physical analogy breaks down kind of at the higher numbers. But in reality, it becomes you have to put in more hours to notice improvement over the beginning. A guy that has progressively trained at any physical activity for 1000 hours is going to trump someone with only 100 hours (who'll trump a 10 hour guy).
It's a progressive build like Nest0r points out. As we each approach it our own way, you're going to hear different ways to do it. For myself, I say a sentence should have 1 new concept that you're concerned about. It can be a new phrase, new word, new grammar concept, etc.
2009-01-28, 9:42 pm
Just because it adds to the number of 'expired' cards doesn't mean it adds to your 'time'. You're still only failing and restudying whatever you decide to grade yourself on, and making cumulative gains. I don't SRS for more than an hour a day. Also, to add to the physical analogy--it's possible to pay too much attention to reps, weight, time, et cetera, and not enough to how one actually feels. Same with dieting. Anyway, still digressing.
Edited: 2009-01-28, 9:47 pm