it seems like every kanji i go over in RtK has something people reported on... like audience for example: 謁 The talk was so boring the audience took a siesta.

how is that worthy of a report? i just don't get some of these people... maybe they were offended by the word siesta being Spanish.... heck i don't know....

I don't know why people report things, but as a side note, the story you quoted uses the wrong meaning of audience. 謁 refers to an audience with a king, rather than a crowd of listeners.

I think some of these may be caused by the placement of the "Report Button" being right next to the "Star Button". In a browser (say on an iPod Touch), the two are quite close and it would be easy to push the "Report" button when one intended to "Star" the report - it has happened to me several times.

yukamina Wrote:I don't know why people report things, but as a side note, the story you quoted uses the wrong meaning of audience. 謁 refers to an audience with a king, rather than a crowd of listeners.

Sounds like just an extended meaning of audience. An audience of one, like people who watched Rocky V at the theatre.

I wonder if Heisig secretly created a profile and created new stories how many reports he would have.

i bet Heisig is one of the forum users and we just don't know it haha

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Re Yukamina's post, perhaps the person who reported "audience" was trying to warn others about the sense of the keyword. Or something else... we can only guess at people's reasons.

Rather than report stories, I prefer to write notes. If a few people consider them useful and vote for them then they stay visible. If not, they sink without trace. (No votes for my "audience" note, though).

I send e-mails letting the user know what the error was.

Maybe a useful addition to the site is a way of easily sending a message to the author of the story.

So long as it isn't abused and they get spammed for stupid things...

But yeah I've accidentally hit the wrong button. Apparently if you do, you just click it again and it undoes the change.

If you click their name it will take you to this message:
"View this member's profile in the community forums for contact information, website address, etc. (if any of those are provided)."
Click that and you will get their email link.

The user might get angry with you for questioning their story but it seems to be the most polite and effective thing to help the user. It will probably get the story changed quickly if in fact they did make a mistake. Sometimes you might find they were not wrong after all if they return your email and explain their point.

If it is simply a mistake, like the wrong use of a keyword, you can simply explain the correct use of the keyword into your own posting, as many others have done. This corrects the original poster without it seeming to be a personal slight, (ie, getting an email about one of your stories, which could lead to an exchange) and it also lets everyone coming afterwards know which is the correct interpretation of the keyword.

I have noticed that as well. For example, whenever a story has "sexual content" it gets tons of reports...although often those stories are actually great mnemonics.

Looks like people get easily offended...weird.

stoked Wrote:I have noticed that as well. For example, whenever a story has "sexual content" it gets tons of reports...although often those stories are actually great mnemonics.

Looks like people get easily offended...weird.

Well you know...
Don't know if some of you read slashdot, but I just found this:
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess118_2009...lls/56.htm

Extract of the new bill introduced in the South Carolina State Senate that seeks to outlaw the use of profanity:
"It is unlawful for a person in a public forum or place of public accommodation wilfully and knowingly to publish orally or in writing, exhibit, or otherwise make available material containing words, language, or actions of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature. "

Scary huh ?

Note that Heisig is either euphemistic or states that indecent or discriminatory stories are abhorrent, and it's the abhorrency that makes them work as a mnemonic. I think we should be euphemistic in our terminology or include a similar disclaimer in our stories.

Not sure how I'd do it though. Some of my stories are pretty racist. 難 says that a Chinaman would have a "difficult" time of coming to grips with an emu. 皆 says that out of "all" peoples of the world, it's the whites that have the most trouble learning kanji. How could I phrase them so it's exactly the same mnemonic, but not offensive?

Raichu Wrote:Note that Heisig is either euphemistic or states that indecent or discriminatory stories are abhorrent, and it's the abhorrency that makes them work as a mnemonic. I think we should be euphemistic in our terminology or include a similar disclaimer in our stories.

Not sure how I'd do it though. Some of my stories are pretty racist. 難 says that a Chinaman would have a "difficult" time of coming to grips with an emu. 皆 says that out of "all" peoples of the world, it's the whites that have the most trouble learning kanji. How could I phrase them so it's exactly the same mnemonic, but not offensive?

Why would you want to? Like you said, it's the 'taboo' quality of the mnemonic that makes it so memorable.

Our aim here is to learn 2000+ characters, not coddle crusty, overly sensitive, conservative politicians.

(the word that should go here starts with the letter after e) the politicians.:mad:

stoked Wrote:I have noticed that as well. For example, whenever a story has "sexual content" it gets tons of reports...although often those stories are actually great mnemonics.

Looks like people get easily offended...weird.

At least people will get curious as to why those stories have been reported, read them and think "Hey, this is actually pretty good".

Hashiriya Wrote:i bet Heisig is one of the forum users and we just don't know it haha

Snap. You got me.

Yes i get some of my stories reported for no reason i see it.

That being said, i report nearly every single one of penot's stories because i feel sorry for the guy. He is doing it wrong.

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doing this for 3 or 4 characters is fine, but 90% of them he does this :\

Maybe Penot has already finished RTK and is going back to learn the readings?

I probably shouldn't admit this, but I'm using the sanitize script to hide reported stories. Originally, I was trying it out with the thought of introducing my little sister to kanji, but now she's much more interested in German. Anyway, I found it very helpful because it reduces the visible stories to ones that I'd be more likely to pick anyway. It has also forced me to write more of my own stories.

Sometimes I report stories that are very distracting--especially ones that include violence against women and/or appear at the top of the screen where I can't ignore them. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings by reporting stories, and I'm trying to compensate by remembering to star things I find helpful--often they are written by the same people.

etpan Wrote:Extract of the new bill introduced in the South Carolina State Senate that seeks to outlaw the use of profanity:
"It is unlawful for a person in a public forum or place of public accommodation wilfully and knowingly to publish orally or in writing, exhibit, or otherwise make available material containing words, language, or actions of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature. "

Scary huh ?

Will preachers be arrested for saying damn or hell in church? How in the world could they define what "profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature" is?

I guess it'd have to be determined by how the observers interpret the context.

stoked Wrote:Looks like people get easily offended...weird.

True, but that's due the environment you grown up in, and what other people want you to think I guess. Nonetheless, sometimes - like said before - these small erotic stories can help.

What I'd like to mention too: I regularly surf this site with my ipod touch. If I don't zoom in enough, I sometimes click the wrong button too. You can undo a certain vote, but I guess we're too lazy too undo one from time to time, or we didn't even see it. A popup message might be usefull

etpan Wrote:

stoked Wrote:I have noticed that as well. For example, whenever a story has "sexual content" it gets tons of reports...although often those stories are actually great mnemonics.

Looks like people get easily offended...weird.

Well you know...
Don't know if some of you read slashdot, but I just found this:
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess118_2009...lls/56.htm

Extract of the new bill introduced in the South Carolina State Senate that seeks to outlaw the use of profanity:
"It is unlawful for a person in a public forum or place of public accommodation wilfully and knowingly to publish orally or in writing, exhibit, or otherwise make available material containing words, language, or actions of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature. "

Scary huh ?

Wow, that's pretty sad for a bill like that to come out in this day and age. It would clearly be an unconstitutional law if passed and would never stand up in the Supreme Court. But it's just more proof that some of America's greatest enemies come from within.

South Carolina has a long history of crazy legislators. Strom Thurmond was senator there for 50 years and was famous for his hard-line stance against civil rights and denying cigarettes were harmful. Someone is just trying to grandstand in a state that is mostly controlled by the religious right.

personally i don't care about sexual content... though i do wonder a little about younger users.

However it does regularly cause pages to get blocked by my company's web filter.. which is really annoying.
Not that i've ever bothered reporting a story... but i wish people would bear in mind that stories that are too dodgy could cause problems for others. If it has profanity/dodgy content then just don't share it?

I try not to make any erotic (or profane) stories when I am making mnemonic stories for personal use, but if I am in a really tight spot and can't think of anything else I might use one. I just don't personally like doing that because I don't want to have perverted thoughts for every character that I read. I only report stories if they use the wrong form of a keyword (ie. verb form instead of the noun form).