Tobberoth Wrote:

zodiac Wrote:I think kanjihanzi visited but did not post.

So you mean he hung around on this forum, for YEARS without even making an account? Possible, but very unlikely. And if that was the case, why didn't he simply say so instead of going "I WON'T TELL YOU MY PERSONAL DETAILS LIKE MY ACCOUNT NAME ON A FORUM"?

Nah, I've done that on tons of forums. Not make an account I mean. Unless there's some reason to like hidden boards or link cuts I don't bother.

zodiac Wrote:I think kanjihanzi visited but did not post.

Exactly. Which also is exactly what I already have written. Here. THANKS!

KanjiHanzi Wrote:And you think I would even bother to reply to this kind of crazy insinuations?!?! You can use your sick imagination until you turns blue. I really wouldn't mind.

"what harm does it do telling us your real account name"

None. I just simply refuse to get bullied around by weird little brats truing to be smart. My REAL account name is KanjiHanzi. Today. So now tell when you are approaching an appropriate blueness.

People will probably take you more seriously if you drop the name calling which is getting pretty old now. I'm not a wierd little brat. I'm not a silly boy. I'm not a rabid dogmatic. I haven't called you anything, so why do you keep calling me things? Are you really THAT insecure?

Well, I didn't create an account until I decided to post.

Tobberoth Wrote:I haven't called you anything, so why do you keep calling me things?

Sigh. No memory?!?! You just called me liar which is the worst insult you can through on me, since i have made it a habit -a dogma!!! - TO NEVER LIE. Stop acting like silly boys and I will calling you silly boys. Simple as that.

zodiac Wrote:Well, I didn't create an account until I decided to post.

Same with me really, I think. But my decision to start posting was never fulfilled since I decided that I didn't have the time.

Last post for the year.

Happy new year to all!! See you next year.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:

Tobberoth Wrote:I haven't called you anything, so why do you keep calling me things?

Sigh. No memory?!?! You just called me liar which is the worst insult you can through on me, since i have made it a habit -a dogma!!! - TO NEVER LIE. Stop acting like silly boys and I will calling you silly boys. Simple as that.

I didn't call you a liar. Here's the quote, without even fixing the typo:

Tobberoth Wrote:I'm NOT calling you a lier

I seriously thought you DID have another account which you have browsed the forums with and I just politely asked if you could share the name of it with us. Your response? Calling me a silly boy.

Tobberoth Wrote:

KanjiHanzi Wrote:

Tobberoth Wrote:I haven't called you anything, so why do you keep calling me things?

Sigh. No memory?!?! You just called me liar which is the worst insult you can through on me, since i have made it a habit -a dogma!!! - TO NEVER LIE. Stop acting like silly boys and I will calling you silly boys. Simple as that.

I didn't call you a liar. Here's the quote, without even fixing the typo:

Tobberoth Wrote:I'm NOT calling you a lier

I seriously thought you DID have another account which you have browsed the forums with and I just politely asked if you could share the name of it with us. Your response? Calling me a silly boy.

Mr. Tobberoth, you are just going to get frustrated conversing with this individual. You cannot have a logical discussion with it. This individual has already said it has received negative attention before, and the reason is more than clear, now. Rather than admit some sort of fault, it will continue down this path, and say whatever necessary to get a rise out of you. My sister behaves in much the same way. Attention, whether positive or negative, is attention. This is what it seeks.

Wisher Wrote:Why is this thing still going on?

This topic should be closed.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:Yet another border patrol. You guys just don't seem to get THIS: The site owner is the boss. He has managed to keep this a Very Nice place for years and I am absolutely convinced he will make the correct decisions now too. Whatever they are or will be I will bow and salute them.

It is up to the site owner. But we can make suggestions. Usually when threads are heated and go nowhere, they are closed off. This whole thread is redundant.

Wisher Wrote:The only new contributions are borderline insults and defenses.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:I can't really view my posts as "defenses" since there is really nothing here to defend against. What's the defense against ugly language and silly insinuations? Nada. I merely use my right to point out what I consider as either downright lies or severe distortions of what I have written here. I can't let that stand without correction.

The defense is responding to it. You somehow have to prove that things are not true by pointing them out. That still qualifies as a defense.

Wisher Wrote:I truley believe that KanjiHnazi is enjoying all of the attention.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:This is a typical example of what I consider totally unfounded insinuations. I don't have any need for attention. If that was the case I would have posted a lot here when I started to be a regular visitor. Years ago. My need for attention on the web has been satisfied by my WORK done and finished years ago. I've been running web sites with x00,000 visitors. More than 10 years ago. No more need for that kind of limelight.

Then why do you seek constant validation from us? Why do you care so much what we think to have to respond to just about every post? Either you are an attention seeker, or you couln't care less and love to hear yourself talk. Based on what you said about you zero hit websites, you must be doing this to hear yourself talk.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:I would much have preferred to have been totally ignored here instead of the mess you guys have created here, with the some minimal and benign support of yours truly. It has no usefulness at all to have that rather neutral, initial post to be buried in this kind of kindergarten. Really. Silence would have been golden.

Why don't you take your own advice and move on? Chances are, you will respond to this post.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:If I had had the slightest hint that I was so wrong about the OVERALL friendly nature here - i.e. that no such mob as the one we have seen here existed on this forum - I would absolutely have decided against posting here. Absolutely.

But on the other hand I don't mind silly boys making fools of themselves. As a previous poster said: it can be quite funny and entertaining. But sad. Too.

It was not wrong to post. This just all got out of hand. It has been said here already that you used bad judgment. That is your crime. The new guy should ease his way before preaching his dogma regardless of how right he is. If you just registered, you are the new guy regardless of how long you have been lurking. Relations are only formed when people know you exist and can interact on some level.

The reason I am responding is because I do like to hear myself think out loud. I decided not to ignore it because I thought I would ask these questions as a way to give food for thought. I know you will respond to this. Probably because I know you just cannot help yourself.

Wisher
Your turn.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:

kazelee Wrote:My suggestion to everyone:

Ignore this person. Pretty soon he'll fade away.

Jesus Christ, boy! At least learn to edit the quotations before posting!

Apart from that this was the very best post you have added - I mean the part I quoted here - and I strongly suggest you and your "friends" can restrain yourself enough to follow this clever advice. Now it's nothing but a kindergarten where the more mature and decent majority of this forum have no interest whatsoever in.

The wrong part was: I will not fade away! Read my lips: worse bullies than your amateur attempts have never been successful in getting me to "fade away" so don't expect such a miracle to happen. Sorry.

BTW ... "to everyone"??? Are you suddenly the leader of the pack now telling the rest of the membership here what to do and not to do?? My, my. The Not So Silent Minority is suddenly transformed into the Voice of Us All. Pretty tough task, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Race

Is someone pulling a practical joke? O.K. who ever invented this character please stand up and take a bow.

The fact that, KanjiHanzi has no idea of how he is coming across, coupled together with his misuse of English, and obvious misunderstanding of English makes him a parody of a jackass.

Because of this, his posts are borderline hilarious. I couldn't take this guy seriously if he revealed himself to be James Heisig. (Though with the errata of RtK3 30 years after the fact, I wouldn't be surprised.)

Meh, this thread is as much fun as the religion thread. Glory to the trolls. Glory to those who feed them!

I decided that KanjiHanzi reminds me of the Mayor of Imaginationland mixed with Molloy (Samuel Beckett character).

I'm going to combine the Movie-method and Kanji-town to and make something called " the Imaginationland-method"

After that, I'll make a new account name, along the lines of ImagineKanji, and using incomprehensible language make a post called - Introducing the Imaginationland method. If anyone asks me how it works I'll call them silly little girls and tell them to read my original, incomprehensible post. Any criticism will be regarded as an attack on my character, gender, and sexual preferences. Also using my vast experience I will be correct all the time, and feel the need to break down every response by responding to it in the most arbitrary, irrelevant way possible.

(actually this is in the works, be on the look out)

ha!

"It is no accident that entire books are devoted to Japanese particles, adjectives and verbs."

I laughed when I read this.

nest0r Wrote:I decided that KanjiHanzi reminds me of the Mayor of Imaginationland mixed with Molloy (Samuel Beckett character).

Wasn't Samuel Beckett the guy in Quantum Leap?

Yea, Samuel Beckett wrote himself into a scifi TV series, pretty amazing. Now he's stuck in a crippled turkey that has the same attitude that Molloy did (a kanji story I wrote for 'leap').

Where but this community would Beckett's Molloy and the Movie Method et al converge? sucking stones

patience Nestor...

liosama Wrote:"It is no accident that entire books are devoted to Japanese particles, adjectives and verbs."

I laughed when I read this.

Could you perhaps indulge us a bit more??

Just for fun I picked down the books I own FOCUSING ENTIRELY on particles, verbs, and adjectives/adverbs:

Particles:

Naoko Chino: "How to tell the difference between Japanese particles"
Sue A. Kawashima: " A dicitionary of Japanese particles"
Naoko Chino: "All about particles"

Verbs:

Naoko Chino: "Japanese verbs at a glance"
Taeko Kamiya: "The handbook of Japanese verbs"
Rita L. Lampkin "Japanese verbs & essentials of grammar"

(The latter was one of the very first books on Japanese I bought. I've seen it frowned upon here several times - simply because it uses romaji only - but it's actually a great reference book when you quickly want to find something.)

Adjectives/adverbs:

Taeko Kamiya: "The handbook of Japanese adjectives and adverbs"
Ann Tarumoto: "The complete Japanese adjective guide"

The GEM in my Japanese library is "Handbook of modern Japanese grammar" by Yoko M. McClean which is basically a "Handbook of Japanese verbs", since most of the book deals with that: pages 2-86. I bought this as a second-hand copy on Amazon.com on the advice of Giles Murray in "13 secrets for speaking fluent Japanese", another of my other absolute favorite books.

So I am not merely throwing out premature and rash conclusions when I say that Japanese is most likely the most difficult language to learn on THIS planet (for us in the West).

Compare this with Mandarin: I have bought one - 1 = a single! - grammar book and I am confident that this volume will keep me satisfied for a couple of years. If Japanese was such an EASY language, then how come that publishers like Kodansha can make a fortune on the kind of books I have listed above (and this was merely a selection of those dedicated special areas)? Are students of Japanese dumb? Are they made of money and don't know where to throw it? Easily fooled by clever marketing or pretty book covers? Me thinks not.

And also: Do I consider it overkill to have bought all these books? Absolutely not. They have been worth every dime spent, no matter how far I have left until I perhaps reach Real Fluency (after first becoming fluent in Mandarin :-) ). This investment has also been distributed over 8+ years so buying 40-50 books on the Japanese language is not much for a book-worm like me.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:Compare this with Mandarin: I have bought one - 1 = a single! - grammar book and I am confident that this volume will keep me satisfied for a couple of years.

What book is it?

PrettyKitty Wrote:What book is it?

"Modern Mandarin Chinese Grammar - A Practical Guide" by Claudia Ross and Jing-heng Sheng Ma, Routledge (ISBN 0415700108). Perhaps I will also buy "Chinese: A Comprehensive Grammar" by Yip Po-Ching and Don Rimmington (ISBN 0415150329), but I honestly see no reason for that at present. "Modern..." is particularly useful for me now since it uses sample sentences with words/characters I am able to follow after a mere few months of study. Highly recommended!

BTW: there is also a workbook companion to "Modern....", but I am not particularly fond of workbooks so I will probably never buy that one.

Do you study Mandarin or intend to do it?

To be perfectly honest, KanjiHanzi, the amount of books on a subject is not indicative of the difficulty, but rather interest. I myself have never used a particle workbook or textbook past the absolute beginning stage and am reading fine.

Chinese grammar is much simpler than Japanese grammar, I've heard, but that doesn't mean Japanese isn't easy.

alyks Wrote:Chinese grammar is much simpler than Japanese grammar, I've heard, but that doesn't mean Japanese isn't easy.

I realize you think Japanese is not too difficult, however to call it easy is exaggerating. Learning Spanish, as a native English speaker is easy. Learning German is a somewhat harder. Learning Russian is harder still. Japanese is somewhere above those IMHO.

I do not think Japanese is by any measure easy. Otherwise I would have become fluent by now. I went to school in Tokyo and there was only one foreigner to whom the language came as second nature. Everyone else took about 2-3 years from the time they started to the time they were barely functioning. But, as far as I know none of us where familiar with AJATT, Sentences, or SRS at the time.