kioku3 Wrote:I am starting to see that certain words are now attaining "completed" status. As I continue, do those "completed" words ever turn up again in later iknow lessons?...

...I am planning to use the Anki Core 2000 deck to do further review and writing practice later so I will see the words again that way...

As far as I know, they don't show up again. Although, often the same sentence is used for two or more vocabulary words, so there is some repetitive exposure. So there is a passive reinforcement, but no active requirement to study the words. I also find that I get a lot of reinforcement by listening to the custom podcasts. I burned CD's of the older podcasts and play them in my car, as well as on my iphone, so I get exposure older items.

I am also planning to use Anki for long term reviews, after I finish RTK1.

yukkuri_kame Wrote:I also find that I get a lot of reinforcement by listening to the custom podcasts. I burned CD's of the older podcasts and play them in my car, as well as on my iphone, so I get exposure older items.

I haven't tried the podcasts yet--I'll have to check those out. Thanks!

kioku3 Wrote:I haven't tried the podcasts yet--I'll have to check those out. Thanks!

The podcasts are great. Perhaps the #1 advantage to doing the lessons on iknow, rather than on Anki, at least one time through.

Don't do the core series until you finished the 2001.Kanji.Odyssey Compiled Lists. http://smart.fm/lists/47378
The kanji order in the core series is very bad and becomes a huge headache as you progress especially when you get past the easy vocabulary in the first two steps. So much work was put into creating the sentences and adding native readings but the kanji order was done lazily as a complete after-thought it seems. If you are doing RTK you can appreciate how putting things in a logical order and building upon previous lessons is a big help. Every new lesson in the core series is like starting from scratch again.

yukkuri_kame Wrote:

kioku3 Wrote:I am starting to see that certain words are now attaining "completed" status. As I continue, do those "completed" words ever turn up again in later iknow lessons?...

...I am planning to use the Anki Core 2000 deck to do further review and writing practice later so I will see the words again that way...

As far as I know, they don't show up again. Although, often the same sentence is used for two or more vocabulary words, so there is some repetitive exposure. So there is a passive reinforcement, but no active requirement to study the words. I also find that I get a lot of reinforcement by listening to the custom podcasts. I burned CD's of the older podcasts and play them in my car, as well as on my iphone, so I get exposure older items.

I am also planning to use Anki for long term reviews, after I finish RTK1.

They DO show up again, at least it used to for me when I used the website for learning/reviewing. Now I use Anki.

It depends if you're in long term mode or goal mode. In goal mode once they're complete, that's it. In long term mode they should continue to show up. I think it was mentioned in their blog somewhere.

Ok this could make me sound really dumb, but il throw it out anyway.

would it be best to go through Tae Kims Site / Japanese Sentence patterns for.... first?
I've started on the first core group here and although i know most of the words its using already for you to learn the sentances... a little deep endish i feel.

I know the sentences are supposed to be examples of the word in use, and the Sentence / anki / ajatt method is the way this all works, but if im banging my face on the keyboard trying to figure out what the hell it says before i even get started isn't that a little counter productive?

My grammar is a little shaky, and my vocabulary isnt huge. I finished RTK, and I've listened and understood about the first 40 Newbie Jpods.. (i lost track of where im up to)
Like i say i know the sentance method is about learning the words in context. but surely for the beginner lessons for them to throw the kanjis at you like that.. >< shouldn't it start off slower or am i just thick?

I was planning on Mining the JSPFEC book to start with to get vocab, grammar and the basics down before i start drowning myself. but i saw this thread and thought id check it out... so far iknow.? no i clearly don't.

i would say go ahead and complete the 1st 2 core 2000 series on iKnow... the basic vocabulary there would help you get through Tae Kim's sentences much much easier...
studying Japanese takes a lot a patience and endurance... hang in there studying 2-3 hours a day at least and you'll see improvement over time i've came a long way since i have first started, but i still have a good ways to go until fluency...

kioku3 Wrote:A question for those using iknow for a while:

I am studying Core 2000 Step 1 and 2 and after a couple of weeks, I am starting to see that certain words are now attaining "completed" status. As I continue, do those "completed" words ever turn up again in later iknow lessons? I thought I read something about this on the forum but couldn't find it.

(By the way, I am planning to use the Anki Core 2000 deck to do further review and writing practice later so I will see the words again that way but I was curious how this works in iknow.)

My guess is that simple vocabulary -- also vocabulary selected by frequency -- is surely going to turn up randomly in future lessons. It's almost unavoidable. This is simply frame 663 on my part, however.

Ginger,

You can go either way but don't go far either way. What I mean is do Steps 1 and 2 in iKnow and Basic Vocabulary in Tae Kim's (or equivalent from other sources). I'd recommend Tae Kim first, then Steps 1 and 2. Then do the 350 Essential in Tae Kim followed by either Core 2k or KO2k1. Since the basic will show up more often, it's good to cover both before going to the intermediate and then advanced.

It seemed like a good balance to me. When I did that, reading native material (manga and drama's w/ kanji subs) become an enjoyable experience.

PS: I'm in the process of adding the Vocabulary words to the Core 6000 lists. When done I'll post links to them in the Google Documents thread.

I am a little slow in catching up with this whole thread, but I just imported some lists into anki from the smart.fm site--both core and KO2K1--to try them out. However, I can't get the audio to work. I know this has been covered before and I have followed the advice that has been written on this thread (to the best of my rather limited computer ability). I have the media folders with all the media files...and it all seems to be in order. I am using a PPC mac, but have the latest anki. Is there something I am missing?

Please ask on the Anki forums.

Thanks, I will. I haven't looked at the forums much and didn't realize this was the not the place to ask questions about support. Sorry!

Hi, I'm currently thinking about how to proceed after finishing Tae Kim's Essential Grammar (I've already done the Basic Grammar), since I haven't studied vocabulary at all it's about time I get going. Originally I had planned to do KO2001 after I know enough about grammar to understand the sentences (which apparently isn't necessary for the iKnow sentences, or do they get more demanding later on...?), but it would be great to have some further input on the alternatives. So, here are the things I'm not sure about:

How much does the iKnow vocabulary overlap with KO2001? While KO focuses on the most common kanji, I remember other members here pointed out that the number of kanji that show up in compounds is larger.

Second, while I think the KO2001 sentences are much better (at least they are more diverse and natural), is the lack of audio big enough a reason to use iKnow? Which again brings me to the question of how much the content overlaps.

Alternatively, is there merit in first finishing one of them, let's say iKnow, and then do KO2001 for everything that's still missing?

This brings me to bodhisamaya's suggestion:

bodhisamaya Wrote:Don't do the core series until you finished the 2001.Kanji.Odyssey Compiled Lists. http://smart.fm/lists/47378
The kanji order in the core series is very bad and becomes a huge headache as you progress especially when you get past the easy vocabulary in the first two steps. So much work was put into creating the sentences and adding native readings but the kanji order was done lazily as a complete after-thought it seems.

This seems like a good alternative. It covers all the vocabulary that KO covers (it does, right?) and I heard the vocabulary list CosCom made is very good, also, when you finish the iKnow KO list it should be easy to just continue with KO sentences for the remaining kanji? As for using iKnow Core afterwards, it seems like a lot of work to sort out the redundancy, but please correct me if that's not true.

Hinode Wrote:This seems like a good alternative. It covers all the vocabulary that KO covers (it does, right?) and I heard the vocabulary list CosCom made is very good, also, when you finish the iKnow KO list it should be easy to just continue with KO sentences for the remaining kanji? As for using iKnow Core afterwards, it seems like a lot of work to sort out the redundancy, but please correct me if that's not true.

smartfm keeps track of all your studied items, so if you encounter some completed item again in another list, you don't have to do it again - theoretically. Practically there is a lot of vocabulary with multiple entries and only insignificant differences in the translation.. so it could be that completed items are popping up again (as a different item).
Besides that, theres a lot of redundancy when you're learning the sentences but its not a big problem as you can always use the skip button.

Hinode Wrote:Second, while I think the KO2001 sentences are much better (at least they are more diverse and natural), is the lack of audio big enough a reason to use iKnow? Which again brings me to the question of how much the content overlaps.

If you own the CD version, you can get the audio for all the KO2001 sentences for free:
http://www.coscom.co.jp/japanesekanji/ka...index.html

I don't have the CD version, but if it is possible to use the audio files in anki it would be a great resource. Have you tried the CD version?

No, I have the book version, so I don't know how easy it is to extract the audio files to use them in Anki.

Either direction will be fine (KO, Smart.fm, KO on Smart.fm). There's gonna to be minor problems, but nothing that's not overcome when you begin reading more and more Japanese stuff.

I recommend Anki over iKnow for the SRS, but using iKnow will not be a problem.

Main thing is, make the call now, do it and don't look back. Don't spend more than 5 minutes to a make that decision.

I'm just getting back to using iKnow again, and I'm studying a new list. I want to be able to skip items in the list so that they don't get shown at all in the iKnow application (as I probably already know most the words in the core 6000, I'm trying to fill in the gaps). How do I do this? The frustrating thing is I know IKnow allows this since I've done this before (and it properly shows most of my studied items as being skipped) but I cant find anyway to skip items with their new smart.fm interface (and I dont remember how I even did it last time)

Any help? Very frustrating >.<

NightSky Wrote:I'm just getting back to using iKnow again, and I'm studying a new list. I want to be able to skip items in the list so that they don't get shown at all in the iKnow application (as I probably already know most the words in the core 6000, I'm trying to fill in the gaps). How do I do this? The frustrating thing is I know IKnow allows this since I've done this before (and it properly shows most of my studied items as being skipped) but I cant find anyway to skip items with their new smart.fm interface (and I dont remember how I even did it last time)

Any help? Very frustrating >.<

On the old interface, you go to the page for the list and then go to the items page for that list. You can then uncheck the ones you don't want to study.

Click "more" beneath the list of items and it will take you to a page you can uncheck items you want to skip.

There is also a forum you can ask questions about things that are confusing:
http://smart.fm/user_forum/56

Nukemarine Wrote:Main thing is, make the call now, do it and don't look back. Don't spend more than 5 minutes to a make that decision.

Yeah, excellent point. Stop trying to find a learning method which is 100% perfect, because there isn't one. Just learn.

Is Smart.FM a good resource for sentences? I like it so far.

CarolinaCG Wrote:Is Smart.FM a good resource for sentences? I like it so far.

I was there every day until about six months ago when it kept going down and changing to the point it was too much trouble to maintain a study ritual. I still go to the Core lists sentence pages, close my eyes and listen sometimes. Then translate them in my head.