atreya Wrote:Hmmm... So for now there is no way to get feeds for a specific course without the duplicates. Its great that you are working on a plugin! ^^ How does one go about filtering sentences by id or just getting the feeds with the sentence data alone ?

To get just the sentences, see

http://developer.iknow.co.jp/docs/senten...es_in_list

Notice each one has an id. What I meant by filtering by id would be to get the items with all sentences (which also have ids), and have a list of id's of the sentences in a course, and ignore the sentences that don't have an id in your id list. I suppose my plugin could use that method too, but it seems like a lot of hassle for something that should be easy. I'll probably wait to see if they respond first.

Nukemarine Wrote:Yeah, I really think that iKnow is great to "learn" vocabulary words, but I'm not too impressed with the long term SRS. Now, there is a way to export: Kanji word, Kana word, Audio word, English word translation, Kanji sentence, Kana sentence, English sentence translation, Audio Japanese sentence, Context photo of sentence. However, it is not in a spreadsheet yet (especially with words). When that occurs (or I can figure out how to do it myself), I'll start switching over. Use iKnow to "learn" then Anki to remember what I learned.

I'm very curious about the method you used to combine the lists in iKnow. Was it very easy, or did you have to add each item one-by-one?

radical_tyro Wrote:To get just the sentences, see

http://developer.iknow.co.jp/docs/senten...es_in_list

Notice each one has an id. What I meant by filtering by id would be to get the items with all sentences (which also have ids), and have a list of id's of the sentences in a course, and ignore the sentences that don't have an id in your id list. I suppose my plugin could use that method too, but it seems like a lot of hassle for something that should be easy. I'll probably wait to see if they respond first.

Ah, thanks again! You are right, it is quite a hassle to maintain a list of sentence ids for a particular course. Is there even a way to make that list (or get it) in the first place ?

kazelee Wrote:I'm very curious about the method you used to combine the lists in iKnow. Was it very easy, or did you have to add each item one-by-one?

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9519/91541795bw2.png

It is very easy and you can copy entire lists in one click.
Note: You can only have a max of 400 items per list. ^^

400 max. Rats. I was going to combine all the list I've gone through so far. Now I know why the combined lists stopped at that number.

atreya Wrote:

radical_tyro Wrote:To get just the sentences, see

http://developer.iknow.co.jp/docs/senten...es_in_list

Notice each one has an id. What I meant by filtering by id would be to get the items with all sentences (which also have ids), and have a list of id's of the sentences in a course, and ignore the sentences that don't have an id in your id list. I suppose my plugin could use that method too, but it seems like a lot of hassle for something that should be easy. I'll probably wait to see if they respond first.

Ah, thanks again! You are right, it is quite a hassle to maintain a list of sentence ids for a particular course. Is there even a way to make that list (or get it) in the first place ?

Yeah, but you'd have to parse the xml from the link above. I posted on their API bugs forum so maybe that will get a response.

kazelee Wrote:400 max. Rats. I was going to combine all the list I've gone through so far. Now I know why the combined lists stopped at that number.

It's actually 500, but even then that's pretty small. Still, better 5 merged lists of 400 each, than 60 lists of 30 words each (yes, some people have many lists for some ungodly reason).

I think iKnow is working on a way for all your lists (or those you select) to act as one larger list.

Does anyone know how to fix iKnows internal clock? It's completely messed up for me, it doesn't correctly show which day it is. For example, if I go in at 12PM and do 10 words, They are considered to have been done yesterday. If I wait a few hours, it still claims to be yesterday, but the words count towards today.

I can't find any settings anywhere to set up my timezone properly.

Tobberoth Wrote:Does anyone know how to fix iKnows internal clock? It's completely messed up for me, it doesn't correctly show which day it is. For example, if I go in at 12PM and do 10 words, They are considered to have been done yesterday. If I wait a few hours, it still claims to be yesterday, but the words count towards today.

I can't find any settings anywhere to set up my timezone properly.

Yeah i'd like to know if this can be fixed too as i've done a few every morning but then in the afternoon get asked to do the 30 for the day, I'm thinking that the clock is set to Japan time?

The square shows the day according to the time in your area, whereas, the number of sessions completed appear on the calendar according to the time in Japan. You can't change this at the moment. Midnight (or at least the day change), seems to occur at around 10am EST (GMT -5 i think) for me, so I just do all my reviews after this time to avoid confusion.

radical_tyro Wrote:Yeah, but you'd have to parse the xml from the link above. I posted on their API bugs forum so maybe that will get a response.

I see... thanks for pointing out the link for getting the feed for sentences alone. I was successfully able to make 2 seperate excel sheets.

The first one contains all the sentences with kana reading, audio and large image of Japanese Core 2000 Steps 1 and 2. I got the xml from Nukemarine's list.

The second excel sheet contains all the sentences with meanings, kana readings and large images (without audio) of English Core 2000 Step 1. Its the English course in Japanese for Japanese users.

I thought it would be a good idea to mine all the sentences from the English course as well. I have also made the anki files for the respective excel sheets. Here is the link for each file. If anyone can test it, it would be great! Thanks in advance

http://www.mediafire.com/?nzdzduzmb4l (English Core 2000 Step 1 Anki File)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ztt2o2tzzz1 (English Core 2000 Step 1 Excel File)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ntbdmzfzn1j (Japanese Core 2000 Steps 1&2 Anki File)
http://www.mediafire.com/?liklummzenm (Japanese Core 2000 Steps 1&2 Excel File)

i've recently been thinking of making my own list on iKnow of the 1st RTK book... I was thinking that it might help all the kanji stick in my head a lot better... i've even thought about using stories as the example sentences but i'm not sure how time consuming that would be... I might just stick to the kanji and keywords...

atreya - The Anki files seem to be working. I thought it was funny that this is the first thing I saw when I loaded the file.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/889/44526369kn8.jpg

Anyway - I'm new to Anki. Is there anyway to easily switch the expression with the reading? I don't know the pronunciation of many kanji yet.

thanks

I have written a quick plugin which when given a list URL will automatically download the information and put it in the current deck.

http://ichi2.net/anki/wiki/Plugins#head-...5c507cc526

resolve Wrote:I have written a quick plugin which when given a list URL will automatically download the information and put it in the current deck.

http://ichi2.net/anki/wiki/Plugins#head-...5c507cc526

Sounds awesome!

So what's the deal with those lists, are they accurate?

here is an example of what i have been working on in iKnow with RtK: http://www.iknow.co.jp/lists/41878-remem...nji-part-1

check out Brainspeed with that list... it's pretty cool

It's a private page. People can't access it.

sorry, it's a public page now

I just had a look at brainspeed for the first time.

This page sprung to mind:

http://foolsworkshop.com/reviews/basics

To quote:

Modes of Study

There are three modes of study that are commonly found in flashcard software: fill-in-the-blank, multiple choice, and graded slideshows. Of these, by far the most important is the graded slideshow. The graded slideshow is the exact digital equivalent of studying with paper flashcards. Any good flashcard application should focus its energies on creating the best possible graded slideshow mode. In many languages, having the option of fill-in-the-blank is also useful, especially at the early stages of learning for new vocabulary. Multiple choice is close to useless.

1. Multiple Choice: Multiple choice tests are a way for test writers to create an easily gradable question for a test. It helps the grader. Pedagogically, compared to other modes of study, it provides very little help to the student. Learning to distinguish answers from other answers in a limited set of vocabulary words is not the same as memorizing a word. In a vocabulary training program, therefore, multiple choice is often included because a) it is easy for programmers to develop and b) learners can move through these multiple choice cards fast while having the deceptive satisfaction that they are being objectively evaluated. Multiple choice study modes fools both the programmer and the user of the software into thinking they have accomplished something.

resolve Wrote:I have written a quick plugin which when given a list URL will automatically download the information and put it in the current deck.

http://ichi2.net/anki/wiki/Plugins#head-...5c507cc526

Your code taught me how to do things easily! Thanks

Resolve,

Thanks for the plug-in. Not sure why the XML files have the kana for the sentences, but the JSON file does not. I've been looking at the plug-in along with the json files for both items and sentences to figure out how to merge both so one can also get the associated vocabulary word that goes with each sentence. Currently does not look like an easy way to do it.

I wonder, as the item list is given in the same order as the sentence list, if one can add a "sentence number" so that when I export the Anki file as a .txt, I can organize in a spreadsheet by the sentence number. Then it's a simple matter of copying the item list to that spread sheet and re-importing to anki.

About the multiple choice, I agree and sort of don't. With Anki, you have multiple choice of 0 to 4 based on how you as the user decide how well you got the answer. With iKnow, you can sort of replicate it on a limited "yes" "no" basis. Course, then you have to deal with that annoying timed, 10 choice multiple guess. You might pick a close answer thanks to some being similar. In addition, that selection of other words gives a clue to upcoming words. Plus, they've still not installed the "bypass" button to tell the system you want the word marked as correct. Far from perfect, but certainly better than 4 choices of most multiple choice systems.

Yeah, people can select yes without knowing the answer beforehand then try to guess via elimination. Then again, people can constantly select 4 on Anki. If people are stupid enough to cheat a SELF STUDY system, all's the pity to them. Though limited, iKnow can be made pretty difficult if you purposefully limit yourself. Yeah, the average user won't do that, but then I get the feeling the average user is happy with the illusion of learning.

If you were just talking about Brainspeed, yeah, I wouldn't use that for learning. More a fun, pass the time type thing like dictation seems to be.

Anyway, thanks again for the plug-in. Hopefully I can figure out a pseudo-automated way to have vocabulary and sentences in the same deck. Not looking forward to the idea of one by one changing out kana sentences and adding in vocabulary words.

Nukemarine Wrote:I wonder, as the item list is given in the same order as the sentence list, if one can add a "sentence number" so that when I export the Anki file as a .txt, I can organize in a spreadsheet by the sentence number. Then it's a simple matter of copying the item list to that spread sheet and re-importing to anki.

There is probably a way to match them.

Quote:About the multiple choice, I agree and sort of don't. With Anki, you have multiple choice of 0 to 4 based on how you as the user decide how well you got the answer. With iKnow, you can sort of replicate it on a limited "yes" "no" basis.

I think you're mixing terminology here. Multiple choice quizes are where you choose the correct answer instead of producing the correct answer. Having multiple options for grading is completely different.

The standard iKnow system asks you to choose the correct answer out of up to 10 choices. Brainspeed gives you only two choices. I think they're both flawed. Brainspeed makes the choice far too easy, and the regular 10 choice wastes your time reading 10 choices when you already know the answer. Multiple choice questions are not a good foundation for a spaced repetition system.

That's my main gripe with iKnow, it's way too easy to simply pass a "lesson" perfectly without actively learning anything. I've personally moved over to deciding wether I know something or not at the "Yes" and "No" screen... but I mean, if that's where you do the work, what are the part AFTER the Yes/No even there for?

Brain speed is not a spaced repetition application. It randomly picks a word. It's completely useless as a learning tool, but just a bit of fun.

With flashcards, yeah, I prefer the "you know it or you don't". But that's a mindset. Passive review is boring and useless. True/false is right up there. With multiple choice, I notice that the more "choices" you add, the less chance you give for "guessing". While not perfect, there is merit for 10 choices in Anki. I think they added the timer to counter act those tempted to cancel out wrong choices and make a best guess. Again, not perfect, but there's merit in the thinking. Plus, when they add the "bypass" button, the discussion on that part becomes moot for us.

I prefer Anki, as I have the self discipline to say if I got something wrong or not without the headache of doubt after the thought. Once the import works with vocabulary (and it's amazing as it is now with just sentences), I'll probably do iKnow items only on Anki. Still, I'll not knock iKnow as a pretty good mass-training tool for vocabulary. Most people are not going to get in it as deep as some of us, and it's a damn site better than Rosetta Stone.

Saying anything is better than Rosetta Stone is not much of a compliment. :-) Rosetta Stone is awful.

I won't deny iKnow have a huge userbase and the polish of their apps is great. Their content is fantastic too, and their sharing policies very liberal. They're doing many great things. I just wish that with all their "years of research into cognitive science", they'd come up with something more than a multiple choice system with shiny lights.

After 300 words I personally think iknow is doing wonders for my vocab i've never remembered so many words so easily as I do with iknow, I copy all the vocab sentences to anki as I do them so I've no need to worry about long term memory as admittedly iknow isn't very good for the long term.

My retention in anki has flown up on any vocab/sentences that I have learned via iknow also at the moment I still cannot see why people worry about having large reviews in anki if they enter the sentences from iknow while doing the vocab even with doing 25+ new senteces I'm only averaging 110 reviews a day with just under 500 cards, although in a few week I may wish I never said this