There are lots of reported stories, some with many reports like the one that has 34 reports in "study." Why are they still there and why don't they get removed? Not enough time? I mean that would be a acceptable answer, but does it really take that long to press "delete"?

I try and remove my own stories that have many reports though!

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I've run a few querries on the database. All stories with more than 3 reports, and more than 33% reports to stars ratio have been reverted to private status. That's approx. 200 stories.

There is no need to delete stories because they can be reverted back to private status. Some stories might be unfairly voted off as well, or they may be irrelevant for most people but not "offensive". The author will be understandably angry that their story was deleted. Because there is no separation between a shared story and the private story, they're one and the same, just a different status, it's better to "reset" a story to private status. The author also gets a chance to adapt his story.

That said, it's always been the case that if you come accross something downright unacceptable such as stories with racial discrimination, you can contact me directly and those stories do get deleted permanently.

To authors seeing stories with sexual content reverted to "private" status, I suggest writing such stories in a more suggestive, and tactful manner. I'm sure they wont get as many reports. There is a good example from decamerOn for "valley". It's among the first 1000 kanji so surely it was read many times, yet there are 19 stars and no reports (though I wouldn't be surprised that it might get one or two now that I pointed it out.. >_<)..

I'd like to add that when I finally get time to finish this, the goal of moderating publicly shared stories is to improve the quality, not to judge as to what is offensive or not. Stories with sexual or otherwise considered "offensive" content to some people, will need a specific treatment with "filtering", similar to Google lets you filter the search results.

After all that is said, off the 200 or so stories reset to "private" status, at least half of those have nothing to do with filtering. There are plenty of off topic comments, non stories (including the famous "See book." from yours truly ), stories with no primitives appearing in them, stories in Japanese or other non english language, ... and the odd ASCII art ( "(.)(.)" ).

haha, if the admin went around deleting every story that was reported 10 times, this site would fail.... I actually get angry when I see a perfectly normal, or somewhat humorous story get reported- honestly, who are these people "online kanji police"

Can you un-report something? I've managed to click on the report button accidentally for at least 4 or 5 times going through the book. Or make it so that it asks you "Do you really want to report this story?" or something...

I suppose I can't be the only one accidentally clicking in a wrong spot at times.

Shame shame, Savara!

Haha, it's actually really easy to fix, just click report again. ^^

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Yes, in retrospect I see this functionality was not evident : you can cancel a star or a report by clicking again.

Of curiosity, what happens if the user chooses to reformulate their story and make them public again? Are reports/stars ever reset?

Similarly, if a user sees a story of theirs getting reports and changes it on their own before it gets reset to private, is there any way for them to reset the reports/stars?

ファブリス Wrote:That said, it's always been the case that if you come accross something downright unacceptable such as stories with racial discrimination, you can contact me directly and those stories do get deleted permanently.

So even if it were truly helpful to the author, and completely private(perhaps _banning_ the story from being shared, and perhaps requiring moderator approval for reposting might work), you would still completely delete it from the server?


And also, I find that reverting Japanese stories might not work very well, I sometimes use Japanese to help me remember things, and I'd be delighted to find a good working story in Japanese.

Thanks for the details faburisu, it helped a lot.

@scout: I tried changing stories that got reports and they keep their stars/reports even if you change them. I guess you get one chance at making a story so make it good or no more making your own for it!!! This works though, because sometimes you make a story real quick and sloppy and don't think about it much but then it gets many stars and you can go back and edit to make it look nicer with the italics and extra information, etc.

maybe there could be a "probation" mode for a reported story once you change it, but that seems excessive and I don't think anyone cares that much.

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ファブリス Wrote:That said, it's always been the case that if you come accross something downright unacceptable such as stories with racial discrimination, you can contact me directly and those stories do get deleted permanently.

So even if it were truly helpful to the author, and completely private(perhaps _banning_ the story from being shared, and perhaps requiring moderator approval for reposting might work), you would still completely delete it from the server?

Yeah, I think I'm going to question this practice as well--I know, I know, "discrimination is bad" and soforth (and it is, don't get me wrong, and more prevalent than we'd like to recognize), but it seems to me that a ban-against-sharing is much more reasonable, as offensive content can be very memorable.

Now, obviously, that content can be used in other ways, like in an offline SRS not using this site or its generous administrator's resources, but I want to at least call into question the idea of force-deleting pedagogically useful material simply because the content is objectionable.

~J

Maybe there's a way just to collapse stories that seem offensive, and this can be cached in a cookie or something. So individuals would just collapse the stories they don't want to see as they come to them.

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woodwojr Wrote:Yeah, I think I'm going to question this practice as well--I know, I know, "discrimination is bad" and soforth (and it is, don't get me wrong, and more prevalent than we'd like to recognize), but it seems to me that a ban-against-sharing is much more reasonable, as offensive content can be very memorable.

I think the word "practice" is highly inappropriate here : we're talking about something I had to do maybe twice over the past two years! As for emails of serious complaints about shared stories I could count them on one hand. And we're talking about individual stories, it's not like I'm saying your account gets deleted or anything. We're splitting hairs over nothing.

In case I wasn't clear : there is absolutely NO monitoring of private stories, and thus private stories never get moderated or deleted.

The reporting thing is good to spot stories where the author has missed out one of the primitives. However sometimes I see stories with 40 stars and 3-4 reports, and it confuses me and although I want to use their great story I end up worrying if its missing something out.

I suspect some people just give stories they don't like a report in some cases.

I (and a few others) did report the person that decided to use 心 on the left hand side the primitive name "Data" from star trek, and the fact that some people adapted it despite heisigs own labelling as "state of mind" fitting far better. Some of the subsequent stories using "Data" were utter trash because it was ill thought out, yet they got starred because people had unwittingly accepted the new primitive name and had no alternative.

Oh, and while unrelated, please remove the slow down thing if you click too fast, it really bugs me. I scroll down, read the stories, and if I find one I like I star it and hit copy, but it keeps whining im clicking too fast so I have to star it, wait, then hit copy...

what i find odd is how is when the amount of stars are equal the one with a report mark gets atop.
i often see this happen with zero star stories.

since everyone can asign reported marks i often see them on stories that have not the slightest hint of a reason why they should be offensive.
to me the report option is utterly useless

ファブリス Wrote:I've run a few querries on the database. All stories with more than 3 reports, and more than 33% reports to stars ratio have been reverted to private status. That's approx. 200 stories.

That might have been ok except: you didn't tell the users their stories have been reverted so they won't notice and fix the problem, you didn't remove the reports from those stories so even if they did fix them they would just get reverted again next time, the "all my stories" page doesn't show if a story is public or private so you have to check the study page for each one, and now the report button officially means "if this story offends your sensibilities you can make it go away for everyone just by clicking here"...

I noticed some of my stories got moved to private status, but based on the criteria, some look like they should've been ok:

"All stories with more than 3 reports, and more than 33% reports to stars ratio have been reverted to private status"

By the ", and" do you mean something more like:

"All stories with more than 3 reports or more than 33% reports to stars ratio have been reverted to private status"

For example frame, #644 has 52 stars to 15 reports. So that is more than 3 stars...but only a 15/52=0.28 ratio. most of those reports were from before I bleeped out the clinical name for defining feature of the male anatomy) I actually thought the story was only so-so, but to my surprise it became my most starred story.

Another story that got removed was the most starred for that kanji 29 stars to 13 reports and was actually one of my favorites...but it does fail the 33% ratio test...
I guess I could see how some people would be bothered by a story of Condi Rice fellating a big dog. But even if I made it a less offensive, can I re-share it without running afoul of the report criteria?

I think you missed the point. It sounds to me like Mr. Fabrice is saying all stories with more than 3 reports and more than a 1/3 reports/stars ratio are made private and any others are made private as he sees fit.

Well I just edited and re-shared all the stories that got private'd.

I changed stories for: [830] [644] [931] [681] I think they are less memorable stories now, but they are within acceptable standards...definately more G rated than the "valley"/labia story

Although I didn't change my story for "Hardened" because theres nothing wrong with it. Unless someone objects to the fact that 固　usually has the sense of a substance becoming firm, not so much a "hard" personality. Or they just misread it and think it is refering to hardened naughty parts? /shrug. Three reports for this seems silly: the most HARDENed criminals are the OLD ones PENT IN jail for a long time.

If he is going to strictly enforce reporting, I think you should be able to get them removed from stories that you fix.

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The moderation of ~200 stories I mentioned above was a one time event, just to answer to some concerns here until I can finish the reporting tool.

JimmySeal Wrote:(...) any others are made private as he sees fit.

I also dont moderate stories as I "see fit"! I rarely moderate anything outside of this temporary fix I mentioned above, because people rarely complain to me directly via email about a story!

I am disappointed to say the truth, that there is so much commotion on this. Maybe I wasn't communicating properly on this issue. I think the real problem though is I put up online a reporting system that wasn't finished. I thought it would be helpful to already store the votes before the implementation was done.

The stories are your creations and you don't like to see people "reporting" them. I understand that. I learned my lesson.

I thought you were pretty clear on it. If a story gets a "bad" ratio, it gets sent to private status, but we can always reset it to public. You gave us an EASY way to tell which of our stories are starred. So really the point is moot there, too.

The reporting system is a bit vague and is prone to 10% moron rule. However, as it's not damaging to our stories, I see no problem there either.

It seems just an over-reaction to reports. On most sites with reporting, there's a larger stigma or penalty attached I guess. Perhaps users can do what I did recently: Post what you considered good stories that are overly starred on the forums (I used story request forums), get feedback from others about it (hopefully from those that starred it). I found I had some problems with my stories that I was just overlooking. It happens.

Le Choc! I just went back to edit a story I posted, because it wasn't sticking. After I changed the story I notice the post had 2 reports next to it. What!? There was a blown up mountain and human legs as treasure. No Heisig. No sex. None of it. How did this story merit a report? hock:

kazelee Wrote:No Heisig. No sex. None of it. How did this story merit a report? hock:

I've hit the report button mistakenly a number of times. There is no confirmation, no fade out, nothing ? just an ever elusive, tiny "Reported" message. I know, I can cancel my vote, but I'm not even sure if I noticed all the times I've clicked the report button by mistake, let alone less attentive people.

The report button should ask for confirmation, or at least, be moved somewhere farther from the other two buttons.

Wizard Wrote:Oh, and while unrelated, please remove the slow down thing if you click too fast, it really bugs me. I scroll down, read the stories, and if I find one I like I star it and hit copy, but it keeps whining im clicking too fast so I have to star it, wait, then hit copy...

While experimenting with the Sanitize script, I was reminded of this while clicking on the report buttons. FYI, star-and-copy, which I think is a perfectly normal approach, is done automatically when using the extra buttons provided by the Copy Story script (since version 1.0). Furthermore, if you throw out one story (or simply delete or change the author tag), that story immediately becomes unstarred. Quite convenient. I'm using this script while going through RTK3 and given the modest numbers of people there, it's like I was leaving a trail with every story I copied. A star trail.

Sorry to necro such an old thread, but rather do this than start a new one.

From an earlier post from the admin I thought that stories were hidden if they reach a certain ration of stars to reports (33%).

I just came upon this story (http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/1438) and am curious why the second one is still shown since it is using a different word than the keyword (well it's using the word, but the meaning of what the story is portraying should be waiver not waver).

If the plan is to not remove stories could the ordering at least include the reports as negative stars (like upvotes and downvotes)? If this was done the second story would be knocked down to fifth and it wouldn't really matter too much that the story was still there.

Eadwyn Wrote:I just came upon this story (http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/1438) and am curious why the second one is still shown since it is using a different word than the keyword (well it's using the word, but the meaning of what the story is portraying should be waiver not waver).

LOL it looks like there are multiple stories for that kanji that are using "waiver" instead of "waver". (I'm not sure where that meaning comes from anyway...)