(2017-03-20, 4:43 pm)Akira00 Wrote: [...] but that seems less time efficient than core sentences if my vocabulary base isn't so good. Maybe after going through core 6000 I should be able to do the transition more easily.
I feel like it's a bit easy to lure yourself into a comfort zone there. "I'll just learn a couple of hundred or thousand words more and then it will be so much easier to consume native content!". The thing is, yes, it will probably be a bit easier than now, but there will always be words you stumble upon that you don't know. And the bigger problem is parsing the mess you hear into the words you are supposed to know from your flash cards and understanding them properly in time. That's nothing that will just magically happen once you know 6k words either.
When I think about reading, I'm still not there yet for novels aimed at adults in Japanese (been working on children's stories though) but I very distinctly remember how I gave up a couple of times reading English books as a learner because I wanted to look up each and every word and get every sentence. But doing that made it way less enjoyable and I couldn't force myself through it. But I don't think "just learn more words" from generic lists really helps with that problem either.
If your goal is to read and listen to native content, always putting it off for later is probably not going to work. When you start out it does make sense to focus on building your vocab and grammar base that's true, but that doesn't mean you have to neglect the other part completely. I think in an ideal world, you'd probably start out with 99% "dedicated study" using learners materials and 1% immersion and then over time transition into the opposite direction. I guess for immersion you'd also ideally start off with easier material (that you hopefully can still find enjoyable) and progress from there on.
Sadly, this is not an ideal world though and there are a couple of problems with that. What you actually want to read might be way out of your reach. You might have a hard time finding material that roughly reflect your level and suddenly spend a lot of time searching. The material you do find might not really be enjoyable to you. Or you don't get stuff even in the material you were told is comparatively easy.
So, uh I think in general there are many different ways people usually go about this. Let's say you are watching this anime and don't get some of it. You could a) just ignore the stuff you don't get, try to get as much as you can and then move on. b) look up stuff after the fact, you might find scripts out there (I kind of like http://anicobin.ldblog.jp/
though I usually don't bother looking through the whole episode, but I do sometimes read through the first couple of minutes or so) or you could look for people voicing their opinion about it c) you could watch shows you are already somewhat familiar with (because you already read the manga, or watched the show beforehand with subs or something) which makes it not hurt as much if you miss some stuff and also lets you focus on hearing the words d) you could watch episodes more than once or strip the audio and listen to it in the background and see if you can pick up some more e) you could go through the show with subs2srs, going through it line by line and building your understanding from there on. you might actually be able to find some premade decks, or you could try to make your own. f) probably any combination of the former and probably many more ways.
For reading there are also different approaches, e.g. extensive and intensive reading and anything in between (I think there are a couple of thread on this on the forum already). You could also see if you can find some word lists of what you want to read, so you can study them beforehand (or if you have the text electronically available you could make your own list). Starting out with material you already know in your native language also usually works out rather well. You could also read online and enjoy the luxury of Rikaisama or Yomichan to easily look up stuff and make flash cards. Also if you are not reading on your pc, I recommend starting out with something with furigana. I find it's much easier to get through texts with furigana at first because it doesn't feel like there are blanked out words and stuff...
I personally am very much in the easygoing crowd. To be honest, I don't like putting in too much effort and looking up words is a hassle
For anime I'm usually lazily watching them with subtitles at first and then listen to them a couple of times in the background. I'm usually surprised how I can pick up more each time I'm listening to them. And I do get overly happy if I recognize a word I just learned in my textbook or one of the core decks and it's nice reinforcement. In general I don't really count that time as "learning" it's more like I'm enjoying myself and there just so happens to be some learning effect involved. For reading I'm still figuring stuff out, but so far I didn't really enjoy reading manga in Japanese (can't really explain why). Reading stories aimed at children seems to be more up my alley. (I started out with １０分で読めるお話し stories and am currently trying to tackle 黒魔女さんが通る)
So uh, the post is already long enough. Reading through it again, I think the tone sometimes is a bit harsh, sorry about that. I didn't really mean to criticize. I can definitely understand the feeling of "I don't understand enough" and wanted to share my thoughts and ideas regarding that, I'm sorry if that sometimes came across a bit strongly. In the end everyone has to figure out for themselves what works for them and your approach might be entirely different from mine
Good luck with your studies!
Edited: 2017-03-21, 2:21 pm