Does anyone know a good starting place with Chinese Grammar? I am going through the mastering chinese grammar and although it really isn't that difficult to understand, I would love to have any kind of source that starts basic and builds on itself, I want to try and actually know what grammar I know! Because not I am lost and confused as far as that goes.
Anyone have any resources?(mandarin-simp. characters would be preferred but if you have a great source with trad., I can always convert the hanzi to the simp. equivalents.

Yonosa Wrote:Does anyone know a good starting place with Chinese Grammar? I am going through the mastering chinese grammar and although it really isn't that difficult to understand, I would love to have any kind of source that starts basic and builds on itself, I want to try and actually know what grammar I know! Because not I am lost and confused as far as that goes.
Anyone have any resources?(mandarin-simp. characters would be preferred but if you have a great source with trad., I can always convert the hanzi to the simp. equivalents.

Buy a good book maybe?

Musashi Wrote:

Yonosa Wrote:Does anyone know a good starting place with Chinese Grammar? I am going through the mastering chinese grammar and although it really isn't that difficult to understand, I would love to have any kind of source that starts basic and builds on itself, I want to try and actually know what grammar I know! Because not I am lost and confused as far as that goes.
Anyone have any resources?(mandarin-simp. characters would be preferred but if you have a great source with trad., I can always convert the hanzi to the simp. equivalents.

Buy a good book maybe?

Yeah, but I don't know what books are good, I tend not to trust most recommendations, but I know you guys know what you're talking about. So that is why I'm asking here.

http://zhongwenred.com/

Has perhaps the equiv. examples of Tae Kim but without the explanation.

mafried Wrote:http://zhongwenred.com/

Has perhaps the equiv. examples of Tae Kim but without the explanation.

That place is awesome! Does anyone know of an easy way to turn those sentences into traditional hanzi? Or a recommendation of a similar site/book using traditional hanzi?

Tae Chi has a good grammar blog

dbh2ppa, I'm making a spreadsheet for ZhongWen Red to make it easier to import into Anki. In doing so I'm using OS X's Chinese text utilities to convert simplified->traditional. It's not perfect, but hopefully I can find a native speaker to proof read it at some point.

I'm planning to turn it into a community project on this site, but I haven't gotten more than a few lessons in yet.

liosama Wrote:Tae Chi has a good grammar blog

do you have a link? i'm not finding it on google.

dbh2ppa Wrote:

mafried Wrote:http://zhongwenred.com/

Has perhaps the equiv. examples of Tae Kim but without the explanation.

That place is awesome! Does anyone know of an easy way to turn those sentences into traditional hanzi? Or a recommendation of a similar site/book using traditional hanzi?

http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/conve...ptrad.html

There you go.

There's a plug-in for Firefox called Tong Wen Tang that converts from simplified to traditional and vice-versa.

mafried Wrote:dbh2ppa, I'm making a spreadsheet for ZhongWen Red to make it easier to import into Anki. In doing so I'm using OS X's Chinese text utilities to convert simplified->traditional. It's not perfect, but hopefully I can find a native speaker to proof read it at some point.

I'm planning to turn it into a community project on this site, but I haven't gotten more than a few lessons in yet.

Make an Anki deck with it, and send me it, when I get to China I'll pay a native, to both proofread and make audio for the sentences.

mafried Wrote:http://zhongwenred.com/

Has perhaps the equiv. examples of Tae Kim but without the explanation.

DUDE, this is awesome!, new path for my Chinese, Zhongwenred.com, then Mastering the Chine Characters from Smart.fm, along with finishing the 2700 characters included in the smart.fm list, I am making keywords for each, Hanzi, they are not perfect, but if anyone would be interested in the Deck, I could share it with you guys.

Evil_Dragon Wrote:http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/conve...ptrad.html

There you go.

I knew about this, but without a proofreader, it would be too much of a risk (unless someone can speak for the über-awesomeness of the app, that is).

mafried Wrote:dbh2ppa, I'm making a spreadsheet for ZhongWen Red to make it easier to import into Anki. In doing so I'm using OS X's Chinese text utilities to convert simplified->traditional. It's not perfect, but hopefully I can find a native speaker to proof read it at some point.

I'm planning to turn it into a community project on this site, but I haven't gotten more than a few lessons in yet.

Awesome! I was actually thinking about extracting the sentences from the MP3s they provide and make an anki deck with the audio, I'd be more than willing to share it.

dbh2ppa Wrote:

Evil_Dragon Wrote:http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/conve...ptrad.html

There you go.

I knew about this, but without a proofreader, it would be too much of a risk (unless someone can speak for the über-awesomeness of the app, that is).

mafried Wrote:dbh2ppa, I'm making a spreadsheet for ZhongWen Red to make it easier to import into Anki. In doing so I'm using OS X's Chinese text utilities to convert simplified->traditional. It's not perfect, but hopefully I can find a native speaker to proof read it at some point.

I'm planning to turn it into a community project on this site, but I haven't gotten more than a few lessons in yet.

Awesome! I was actually thinking about extracting the sentences from the MP3s they provide and make an anki deck with the audio, I'd be more than willing to share it.

I'm starting that tomorrow as well! That site is just great.

dbh2ppa Wrote:

Evil_Dragon Wrote:http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/conve...ptrad.html

There you go.

I knew about this, but without a proofreader, it would be too much of a risk (unless someone can speak for the über-awesomeness of the app, that is).

You could of course convert Ankis Hanzi statistics and see what happens. At first glance, it seems to be accurate.

Wow, looks like this project will get off the ground with or without me. I started working on converting ZhongWen Red into a more Anki-friendly format back in May (including extracting audio from the provided MP3's), but then went on a two month vacation. I had planned to restart and publically announce it next weekend but you guys pushed my hand!

I'm creating a google document now. It'll have public read access, but email me for write access if you want to help out. Should be up momentarily.

PS: There's more sentences on http://www.zhongwengreen.com/ and http://www.zhongwenblue.com/ too.

Yonosa Wrote:Make an Anki deck with it, and send me it, when I get to China I'll pay a native, to both proofread and make audio for the sentences.

I'll hold you to that. For the audio at least. For proofreading you'd have to find someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong to be reliable. I may have more resources in this manor... my gf is from Taipei, although this may be asking a bit. Maybe one of her friends though.

mafried Wrote:

Yonosa Wrote:Make an Anki deck with it, and send me it, when I get to China I'll pay a native, to both proofread and make audio for the sentences.

I'll hold you to that. For the audio at least. For proofreading you'd have to find someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong to be reliable. I may have more resources in this manor... my gf is from Taipei, although this may be asking a bit. Maybe one of her friends though.

I showed that website to a Taiwanese friend of mine and they seem to sound natural so far. She complained however how it sounds very "China Chinese" and how she's going to make me speak "Taiwan Chinese".

Also, thanks for your effort!

mafried Wrote:Wow, looks like this project will get off the ground with or without me. I started working on converting ZhongWen Red into a more Anki-friendly format back in May (including extracting audio from the provided MP3's), but then went on a two month vacation. I had planned to restart and publically announce it next weekend but you guys pushed my hand!

I'm creating a google document now. It'll have public read access, but email me for write access if you want to help out. Should be up momentarily.

PS: There's more sentences on http://www.zhongwengreen.com/ and http://www.zhongwenblue.com/ too.

DUDE I AM IN LOVE! ZHOGWEN RAINBOW! YEAH YEAH! I DID IT, I really like zhongwen green!

Does anyone know if it is going to be completed?

Google documents (email me for write access):

ZhongWen Red - Sentences :: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=t...eNw30dgKcw
ZhongWen Red - Dialogs :: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=t...Y10yRzwDhg

Yonosa Wrote:Does anyone know if it is going to be completed?

Unfortunately it looks stalled. I think the last update was some years ago. More frustratingly, there's not audio for all the entries.

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

mafried Wrote:

Yonosa Wrote:Does anyone know if it is going to be completed?

Unfortunately it looks stalled. I think the last update was some years ago. More frustratingly, there's not audio for all the entries.

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Dude, Ill just pay some chinese student $10 when I get there to read the sentences out, I have a decent headset too. So it should be fine as far as that goes. Then I'll upload everything for it. That's not probably for a month and a half though, so for now use the pinyin toolkit auto reader stuff, that's what I'm doing.

mafried Wrote:

liosama Wrote:Tae Chi has a good grammar blog

do you have a link? i'm not finding it on google.

Sorry it was a pun of taekim + tai cih

I should mention there's also http://www.xuehanyuonline.com/ by the same people (very incomplete).

I remember finding the blog of the authors of ZWR/B/G (and XueHanYu) a while back. Unfortunately it just dies after a certain point, with no updates and no mention of why the project stopped.

At least the server hosts are still up.

mafried Wrote:I should mention there's also http://www.xuehanyuonline.com/ by the same people (very incomplete).

I remember finding the blog of the authors of ZWR/B/G (and XueHanYu) a while back. Unfortunately it just dies after a certain point, with no updates and no mention of why the project stopped.

At least the server hosts are still up.

Still very solid basis, I think overall there is enough on all those sites, to get us comfortably into the Smart.fm MTCC list, which is where I want to move to next. I was there already, but the grammar got to be too much at a point.