Hi guys,

I am thinking of making a 'Core5000 kanji companion deck' but before I go to the effort I am seeking expressions of interest and feedback.

My idea is to not just make a light version of an RTK deck (there are already plenty of those) but to make a kind of hybrid deck that will allow you to learn the kanji RTK style, but then allow you as you feel confident and ready, to slowly wein yourself away from 'keywords' and into recalling kanji 'in the wild' so to speak.


The way I invisage it to work is very simple:
The front of the card will feature a sentence from Core5000, but with one of the kanji missing and written as hiragana and underlined / made a diffrent colour.

Your aim is to draw the missing kanji.

The RTK keyword for the missing kanji will be located on the front but in a 'hidden field' that displays when you click it.

On the back of the card (the answer side), the sentence audio will play, the original sentence will display with the missing kanji re-inserted; aswell as a colour kanji stroke diagram.

There will also be an input field for you to type in your own RTK stories which will also display on the back.


The deck will be ordered in RTK kanji order. When you first start you should be using the RTK keywords all the time just as you would with a normal RTK deck. The idea is to just write the missing kanji, so dont worry if you are unable to read the whole japanese sentence.

The whole concept of the deck is that as you get deeper into the 'Core5000 sentence deck' and by using it side by side with the 'kanji companion deck' eventually; you will be able to read the Japanese sentence and write the kanji without needing the keyword. The sentence is just there to provide context.


Thats it in a nutshell, let me know what you guys think.

Wow it's a great idea! so there would be more than one card for the same kanji? For example 大 appears as だい in many words. So the user will be tested for that kanji both in …学 and …学生, and this for each other word in which it appears with the same meaning and reading? And this for every kanji?

hmm not exactly, you would only be tested on each kanji once. So there will only be 1500 or so cards in total.

So for example the following sentence would be used to make 6 separate kanji cards: 次の電車を待ちません。時間がありませんから。

次, 電, 車, 待, 時, 間.


Then lets say for example the next card was: 後で私の携帯電話に電話して下さい。

This would make 5 additional kanji cards, 後, 私, 携, 帯, 話.

電 wouldn't be made into a card because it was featured in the example before, and 話 would only appear once even though it appears twice in the sentence.


The cards would like something like this:

1. つぎの電車を待ちません。時間がありませんから。
2. 次のでん車を待ちません。時間がありませんから。
3. 次の電しゃを待ちません。時間がありませんから。
4. 次の電車をまちません。時間がありませんから。
5. 次の電車を待ちません。じ間がありませんから。
6. 次の電車を待ちません。時かんがありませんから。

But they won't appear in perfect sequential order like this because they will be sorted in RTK order.

Also I am not just going to pick 1500 random sentences from the Core5000, I intend to do some sort of word frequency report and pick the sentences that have the most re-occuring words in the sentence. That way you will be learning to draw the kanji in words it is most commonly found in, not in some obscure word.

Lets say you are learning to write 当 for example.

You could learn to write it using '該当' 'gaitou' meaning 'fall under, be applicable, correspond'. which only appears once in 5000 sentences.

or

You could learn it using 本当 which appears in 24 cards.

Wakatta! Thank you Nayr for the explanation! I hope other users will show their interest too!

Sounds like an *awesome* idea. I would definitely be interested!

Of all of the RTK decks I have tried (4+ at this point), none of them have been that great. JALUP's is the best of what I've found, and I like it precisely because it has a Japanese keyword in addition to Heisig's keyword, so it's easy to phase out from the English keyword. But a deck that not only had Japanese keywords, but a whole sentence of context, that corresponded perfectly to my vocab deck..? That would be pretty amazing.

This deck sounds great!

(By the way... I myself prefer recognition-based cards over production-based cards. Production-based as the default template makes total sense for an RTK deck, but you know, when you're putting the fields together, if you could maybe make it possible so they could be re-arranged for recognition-based cards by individuals later on, some individuals may like that. Just putting it out there.)

Sounds great to me. I plan on learning how to write only after I'm proficient with everything else, but at that time this would definitely be a great "first step" resource.

The original deck has amazing quality, so I'm sure this will too.

Awesome concept! Would it be strange to do after RTK? I did format often when I was still taking Japanese classes to study for kanji tests but I never considered doing it in RTK order. Can't wait to try it

Awesome! I'd delete my old rtk deck and start it up again with your deck if I could do it like this!

This sounds like a wonderful idea! I just finished RTK a couple of weeks back, but being able to understand places I can incorporate the kanji in sentences as well as being able to do it in tandem with RTK/Core5000 looks to be the dream. While I am well on my way in doing my own study, I know that a lot of new learners would really benefit from it! System sounds brilliant

So expanding from this idea, the project I am currently working on will allow you work through kanji in sentence contexts but in a much fancier way that this original idea was.

http://forum.koohii.com/thread-12092-page-8.html