... is down - anybody knows whether there is something similar out there?

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Well, what did it do ?

The site was an interface to kanji tools that allowed to display the characters in different orders:
- in frequency order,
- in Heisig's frame order,
- in Naganuma's order.

Every kanji was also tagged with:
- composing (Heisig) primitives,
- what other kanji it appears in,
- KANJIDIC entry; and
- EDICT entries.

I'm not sure how long google cache is going to keep the old results from http://www.ravenbrook.com/tool/kanji-learning-tools

but the following link is what you would see for "八 - eight":
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/se...clnk&gl=au

Inny Jan Wrote:- in Naganuma's order.

As in the readers from the 40's (some revised in the 60s)? Geez.

yudantaiteki Wrote:

Inny Jan Wrote:- in Naganuma's order.

As in the readers from the 40's (some revised in the 60s)? Geez.

Never had use for that one but I'm sure there are users here (I'm talking about you, john555) who may feel strongly about this specific order.

OTOH, I'm greatly interested in: composing (Heisig) primitives, what other kanji it appears in and EDICT entries part.

http://jptxt.net/kanji.txt has RTK frame numbers, frequency ranks, and RTK keywords for the components of kanji:

$ curl -s jptxt.net/kanji.txt|awk 'NR==3||/^八/'
#1 kanji;2 kanjidic on;3 kanjidic kun;4 kanjidic nanori;5 kanjidic meanings;6 kanjidic grade;7 kanjidic strokes;8 kanjidic radical;9 jouyou on;10 jouyou kun;11 jouyou variants;12 rtk1 6e or rtk3 3e frame number;13 rtk1 6e or rtk3 3e keyword;14 rtk1 5e or rtk3 2e frame number;15 rtk1 5e or rtk3 2e keyword;16 kradfile-u;17 decomposition;18 frequency
八;ハチ;や や.つ やっ.つ よう;な は はっ はつ やち やつ;eight, eight radical (no. 12);1;2;12;ハチ;や やつ やっつ よう;;8;eight;8;eight;ハ;㇒;155

Or the last three:

$ curl -s jptxt.net/kanji.txt|awk -F\; '$17~"八"&&$12{print $1";"$12";"$13";"$17}'|head -n5
叡;2914;sapience;⺊ 冖 ㇐ 八 eight 人 person 目 eye 又 or again
益;2026;benefit;䒑 八 eight 皿 dish
黄;1887;yellow;龷 由 wherefore 八 eight
寡;664;widow;宀 丆 且 moreover 八 eight 刀 sword
貝;56;shellfish;目 eye 八 eight
$ curl -s ringtail.its.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/kanjidic_comb_utf8.gz|gzip -d|grep ^八
八 482C U516b B12 G1 S2 F92 J4 N577 V369 H3 DP3644 DK1859 DL2536 L8 DN8 K41 O19 DO10 MN1450 MP2.0001 E66 IN10 DS8 DF18 DH8 DT4 DC116 DJ8 DB1.A DG151 DM8 P1-1-1 I2o0.1 Q8000.0 DR2062 Yba1 Yba2 Wpal ハチ や や.つ やっ.つ よう T1 な は はっ はつ やち やつ T2 はちがしら {eight} {eight radical (no. 12)}
$ curl -s ringtail.its.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/edict.gz|gzip -d|iconv -f euc-jp -t utf-8|grep 八|head -n5
Ｇｏｏｇｌｅ八分 [グーグルはちぶ] /(n) (of a website) being delisted or censored by the Google search engine/
お八 [おやつ] /(n) (1) (uk) between-meal snack/(2) mid-afternoon (around 3 o'clock) snack/afternoon refreshment/afternoon tea/
お八つ [おやつ] /(n) (1) (uk) between-meal snack/(2) mid-afternoon (around 3 o'clock) snack/afternoon refreshment/afternoon tea/(P)/
インド八哥 [インドはっか] /(n) (uk) common myna (Acridotheres tristis)/Indian myna/common mynah/Indian mynah/
グーグル八分 [グーグルはちぶ] /(n) (of a website) being delisted or censored by the Google search engine/

lauri_ranta Wrote:http://jptxt.net/kanji.txt has RTK frame numbers, frequency ranks, and RTK keywords for the components of kanji... [more useful stuff follows]

Thanks for that info. It will make for a nice weekend project.

For anyone interested, I emailed the owner of the website and asked if he could put the tool back online. Here is his reply :

Quote:I'm afraid not. We were asked to take down the site by James Heisig as it undermines the scholarships that are funded by sales of the "Remembering the Kanji" books.

FWIW you can still see some of the content on the wayback machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/2014101913220...rame_order

kira80 Wrote:For anyone interested, I emailed the owner of the website and asked if he could put the tool back online. Here is his reply :

Quote:I'm afraid not. We were asked to take down the site by James Heisig as it undermines the scholarships that are funded by sales of the "Remembering the Kanji" books.

Thanks for communicating with them and informing the community of this response. What's incredible is that there is no electronic resource that lets you see the relationships between Heisig primitives and kanji as clearly as ravenbrook allowed, for free or paid: the iOS RTK app lists the primitives but gives them varying names, and doesn't hyperlink them to a list of other kanji that use that primitive. You have to go to the "Primitives" screen, select the primitive in question, and see the whole list. And there are a number of kanji which don't have any primitives listed, and primitives which have no kanji listed under them.

As is usual in these cases, Ravenbrook probably increased RTK sales, since people who had bought it already could get more use out of it and be more likely to recommend it to others, and people who hadn't bought it would be more likely to support it. (FWIW, I own the book and the iOS app.)

This reminds me that I have sitting on my harddisk a kanji dependency graph that represents kanji in terms of non-copyrighteable Unicode points plus some invented "non-kanji non-radical primitives" (which won't be copyrighted, I'll release it in public domain). Using this, one can take any list of kanji (not just 常用), order them in the manner of RTK (wherein components are introduced one at a time, and after each component, you learn all the kanji that can be made up of that component and other components that you've learned). I'll make an effort to release this as soon as I can—among many of my other projects is my new six week old 息子 .