I am slowly coming around to the RTK Lite idea, so I thought to use this Core5000 deck to make an RTKLite list, as it's source frequency dictionary is based on the latest Japanese corpus research.

There's 1503 kanji that appear in Core5000's "word" field. Here they are (also at https://gist.github.com/fasiha/b9daaca92c98a04601c9 for revision-controlled posterity):

Core5000, all 1503 kanji, as they appear in Core5000

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Here's the 1503 sorted in Heisig RTK1+3 style, including eight in Core5000 not in RTK1+3, i.e., take the RTK1+3 order and keep the Core5k kanji.

一二三四五六七八九十口日月田目古冒明唱品呂早世胃旦自白百中千舌昇丸肘専占上下卓朝員見児元頑負万句肌的首乱直具真工左右有貢項刀刃切昭則副別丁町可頂子了女好母貫兄克小少大多夕外名石砂削光太器臭妙省厚奇川州順水氷永泉原願泳沖江源活消況泊湖測土吐圧埼涯寺時均火炎畑災点照魚里黒量埋同向字守完宣安宴寄富貯木林森枠棚植椅枯村相机本札案燥未末昧味妹株若草苦薄葉模漠墓暮眺犬状黙然荻猫牛特告先洗介界茶合塔王玉現狂皇全理主注柱金釣針道導迅造迫逃辺巡車連輸前各格略客額夏処条落冗軍輝運夢高塾京涼景舎周週士吉売学覚栄書攻敗枚故敬言警計獄討訓詰話詩語読調談式試域栽載戚成城威滅減浅止歩渉頻企歴武正証政定走越是題建鍵延誕礎衣裁装裏壊遠猿初布幅帽幕幌市柿姉帯滞刺制製転芸雨雲冬天橋立泣章競諦童瞳鐘商適敵叱匂頃北背比皆混旨脂毎敏梅海乾腹複欠吹歌次資姿培音暗識鏡境亡望方坊肪訪放激脱説鋭増贈東妊染燃歳県地池虫蛇独風己起改記包胞泡亀電滝豚遂家嫁豪場湯羊美洋詳鮮達羨差着唯誰焦集進雑雌準奮奪確午許歓権観羽習翌曜濯困固国団因園回店庫庭床磨心忘認志誌患思応意想息憩恵恐惑感忙悟怖慌悔慣慎憶憧添必手看我義議犠拭抱抗批招打捨摘挑指持拶揮推提損拾担拠描操接掲掛研械鼻刑型才財材存在携及吸扱丈史更双護獲奴怒友抜投設撃支技枝肢怪軽督寂反坂板返販爪乳浮将採菜受授愛曖払広拡弁雄台治始窓去法会至室到致互棄育充銃流唆出山岩炭崩密蜜嵐崎入込分貧公松訟谷浴容溶欲裕鉛沿賞党堂常皮波婆披破被残殊列烈死瞬耳取趣最撮恥職聖敢聴懐慢買置寧環夫規替賛潜失鉄臣蔵臓賢臨覧巨拒力男労募劣功勧努励加賀脇協行律復得従徒待往径彼役徹徴微街稿稼程税稚和移秋私秩秘称利穫香季委秀透誘稽米粉粧迷粋謎奥数類膝様求球救竹笑筋箱筆等算答策築人住位仲体件仕他伝仏休仮伯俗信依例個健側停値倒儀仙催使便倍優宿傷保付符府任賃代袋貸化花傾何荷傍俺久内柄肉腐座挫卒傘以似併瓶営善年夜液換融施遊旅物易尻履屋握屈掘居据層局遅漏刷尽沢訳択昼戸肩房戻涙雇顧示礼祥祝福祉社視奈慰禁宗祭察擦由抽油宙届軸押挿申伸神捜果菓課裸析所祈近折哲誓断質訴昨作雪録尋急穏侵浸寝婦掃当争事糖康逮君群耐需端両満画歯曲料科図用備昔錯借措散庶席度渡焼半伴判巻勝片版乏芝不否杯矢族知挨矛柔務霧帰引強弱沸費第弟号誇汚与写身射謝老考教者煮著箸署暑狭頬追師官管父交効較校足促距路露躍践踏骨滑鍋過阪際障隙陽防院隊降階隣隠陥穴空控突究窪探深丘兵浜糸織縮繁縦線綻締維練緒続絵統絞給絡結終級紀紅納紛紹経約細索総繰継緑縁網緊縛縄幼後幾機玄蓄係孫懸御服命令齢冷領勇通踊疑凝範犯危腕卵留貿印興酒酵酢酔配酸尊豆頭短豊喜皿血盆盗温蓋監盛塩銀根即節退限眼良娘食飯飲飾餌館餅養飽既概平呼評希胸離殺爽純辛辞壁璧避新親幸執報叫収勢熱核刻該述術寒譲素麦青精請情晴静責績積債漬表契喫害割憲生星性牲産蜂縫寿春奏実棒勤漢難華睡乗今含念陰予序預野兼嫌鎌西価要腰漂標栗覆煙南献門問間闇簡開閉聞倉創非俳排悲罪輩扉喉候決快偉違緯衛韓干肝汗軒岸幹芋宇余除徐途斜塗束頼速整剣険検重動働種衝病症痩疲痛癖医匹区殴欧抑仰迎登発廃僚療彫形影杉顔膨参惨修珍診文対蚊斉済楽薬率渋央英映赤変跡恋湾黄横把色絶甘棋期基勘貴遺遣潰舞無組狙祖査助畳並普顕霊業僕共供異港暴爆選井囲悪円角触解再講購構論輪偏編冊典氏紙婚低抵底民眠捕舗補郊部都郵那郷響郎廊盾派衆段鍛司伺詞飼般盤船孤益暇敷来気汽飛沈妻面麺革靴声眉誤承極芽邪釈番審翻毛宅為長張髪展巣単戦弾桜脳悩厳挙鳥鳴鶏島援緩属偶隅逆遡岡缶揺就蹴免晩勉象像馬験駐駆駅騒駄驚騰膚慮劇虐鹿熊能態演震振娠唇農濃送関咲鬼魂魔魅襲雰箇癒潟髭儲嬉揃捧撫撒溜葱這遥槍絆紐賑鞄鮎覗々炒贅籠餃姜壼埃

The way this list was generated isn't ideal since the RTK1 vs RTK3 split is no longer meaningful in this context, but as far as I know, nobody has made a combined RTK1+3 list that interleaves RTK3 kanji into their natural place in the RTK1 ordering. This will be made easy by a kanji dependency graph, which I'm working on on the side, using some fancy fancy tools.

Core5k, top 1000 kanji, Heisig order, including two not in RTK1+3
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Core5k, top 500 kanji, Heisig order, including one not in RTK1+3

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Notes

々, which shows up near the end of the Heisig-sorted lists (last entry in the 500 list), is the ideographic iteration mark, indicating kanji repeats. It's not a kanji as such.

I haven't taken a super-close look at these lists, other than verifying 一 through 十 were all there, so in the case of any glaring problems, please let me know. I realize that by jiggering these numbers a little to the right, i.e., choosing 502 or 1011, I might have gotten more bang-for-the-buck (the extra 2 or 11 kanji adding much coverage), but I just threw this together in a single Javascript console session and want to start learning them I don't have any more time for meta!

And on the subject of RTK Lite, I think since I'm already half-way through RTK1, I might as well do the full 1503 list and get all 5000 sentences in Core5k covered.

Phenomenal. Thank you and your wife for this deck, esp the added audio. Exactly what I was looking for.

I would just to add, that this deck is not recommended for beginners.

I would recommend being low-mid intermediate before attempting this deck.

I also highly recommend using morphman to sort the card into the optimal learning order.

I must be dumb but the deck I have downloaded and imported into Anki does not seem to have any audio. All "sound" fields are empty.

Does anybody have a clue?

Thanks a lot for the great deck. It looks very useful.

Edit: problem solved. It was my mistake. I had mixed up two files. Everything works fine.

Downloaded the deck, looked through it, and the quality is amazing. Significantly better than Core6K. Audio is slightly, but noticeably, better (not much room for improvement, since Core6K has good audio too), and the sentences are much better. Far more useful for learning grammar. And, at intermediate level at least, you can pretty much just learn the grammar points straight up, just with the help of the translation. Not much explanation needed.

Add to that the updated word selection (Core6K may have been the most popular words in newspapers once, but I seriously doubt it is today), and I highly recommend using this deck instead of Core, for intermediate learners.

Even though it comes a little late for me (I've done a big chunk of Core6K already) I think I'll drill through the sentences anyway, with the audio up front, for listening comprehension. The sentences are read fairly fast too, which is great.

I second this. Great deck, a very relevant alternative to the regular core decks. Not as beginner friendly perhaps, but it doesn't feel outdated at all. I've been using it for about a week now, and I just ditched the regular core deck even though I was already pretty far in - I just got really tired of 80's style textbookish "business" Japanese.

There is a significant volume differential between some of the audio files (up to 25%, according to my analyzer thingy). It can be a little distracting.

I ran my local media files through a volume booster, to set them all to the same level, but it's only a tiny little free program, so the results aren't perfect (probably not worth sharing). I thought they're an improvement, but I bet there's better software out there than Mp3Gain (that's what I used).

Maybe someone who works with audio regularly has a better solution to fix this issue (if anyone else even thinks it's an issue - maybe it's just in my head).

I got this deck waiting for me in Anki, but I'll finish Core6k first anyway, and some smaller grammar decks in between...

Is there any easy, automatic way to suspend all cards that already contain known words? Or better yet, perhaps suspend all equivalent cards in Core6k.

aldebrn Wrote:I am slowly coming around to the RTK Lite idea, so I thought to use this Core5000 deck to make an RTKLite list, as it's source frequency dictionary is based on the latest Japanese corpus research.

There's 1503 kanji that appear in Core5000's "word" field. (…)

I am a bit surprised by those numbers. Does this mean that 5000 words is far from enough to include most of the usual vocabulary, or that the official list of over 2000 kanji includes several hundred of unfrequent characters (somehow supporting the RTK-lite idea)?

How far should one go in the word frequency list to capture all, or perhaps 95% of the jouyou kanji?

You will notice that he scanned the the kanji in the "word" field, not the "expression" field, so that number is only a representation of the 5000 individual words, not the 5000 sentences as a whole.


That being said, you would be surprised on how few kanji are actually used in native media.

There was an interesting article written here: http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/index....1223039457

Basically:
Here's the list of how many kanji you need to know in order to have covered which percentage of kanji-use (on average) in about 1300 novels:

up to 10%: 11 kanji
up to 20%: 20 more kanji: 31
up to 30%: 33 more kanji: 64
up to 40%: 50 more kanji: 114
up to 50%: 74 more kanji: 188
up to 60%: 103 more kanji: 291
up to 70%: 148 more kanji: 439
up to 80%: 222 more kanji: 661
up to 90%: 348 more kanji: 1045

Nayr182 Wrote:Here's the list of how many kanji you need to know in order to have covered which percentage of kanji-use (on average) in about 1300 novels:

up to 10%: 11 kanji
up to 20%: 20 more kanji: 31
up to 30%: 33 more kanji: 64
up to 40%: 50 more kanji: 114
up to 50%: 74 more kanji: 188
up to 60%: 103 more kanji: 291
up to 70%: 148 more kanji: 439
up to 80%: 222 more kanji: 661
up to 90%: 348 more kanji: 1045

GREAT quote Nayr182, but you left out the most interesting numbers! Here they are:

"up to 95%: 377 more kanji: 1422
"up to 99%: 768 more kanji: 2190"

According to this talk on language mastery by a "polynot" computer scientist

(which I think is a treasure trove of information and totally worth watching at 1.25x speed), you need 98% comprehension for "pleasant free reading". That's somewhere around 2000 kanji. But I'd guess those kanji won't be exclusively the jouyou kanji of RTK volume 1, since the 1503 kanji in Core5000 (the top 5000 words in Japanese according to latest Japanese corpus research) include some outside RTK1/3.

Also, according to this talk, averaged over various unspecified languages, 98% corresponds to 20'000 words, which is apparently how many words one learns up to adulthood (by year 20, people on average know 20'000 words, which they learn about 1000/year; another kanji learner made some notes at http://kazemakase.ca/2013/08/04/fluent-c...-polyglot/).

jmigno Wrote:Does this mean that 5000 words is far from enough to include most of the usual vocabulary, or that the official list of over 2000 kanji includes several hundred of unfrequent characters (somehow supporting the RTK-lite idea)?

Definitely the latter. The jouyou list contains many legacies of politicking and cultural posturing ("what will our ancestors think if we allow our children to never learn 藤!?" (藤 as in Fujiwara)). These 1503 kanji needed to "spell" the top 5000 words should take you to nearly 90% comprehension.

Edit: here's the 7.5 kanji in Core5k's words that aren't in Katsuo's combined-RTK1/3 spreadsheet: 炒贅籠餃姜壼埃 (and 々).

Thank you for providing all these data. This is quite illuminating!
I am definitely sticking to RTK lite for now!

I would be interested to know how many kanji appear from the 'expression' field.
Could you run the numbers on that aldebrn?

Nayr182 Wrote:I would be interested to know how many kanji appear from the 'expression' field.
Could you run the numbers on that aldebrn?

どうぞください：

* 1620: # of unique kanji appearing in the 'expression' field (sentences)
* 1503: # of unique kanji appearing in the 'word' field
* 127 kanji in expression sentences but not in word: 貨毒奨吠博尾掻幽旗蒸扇沌暖陸旬叔炊泥潔拍鉢億曇貼姻遭弊漁偽肯軟糧彰茂却誉噛牧晦航券麻痺銭濡凶斬嘆罰蛍疎巾詐欺清莫姑倹揚汁崖朴忠帝嘘騙塀鳩叩掌灰巧詣摂猛岐寮帳脈阻裂徳挟桃河薪袖詠旺栓票憾函飴漫釜譜苺湿荘廷寸貪侍碗捻召撲刈噂憂鬱超溢壇澄津妨拝粘汲狩惹籍庁罠玩
* Note that 127 is not 1620-1503=117: some kanji appear in 'word' and not in 'expression'. This is because sometimes kanji in 'word' are spelled out with kana in the 'expression'. 10 kanji in 'word' but missing from 'expression' due to this: 敢是幾揃膝癖奪御巡総
* Edit: total number of unique kanji in 'word' and 'expression' fields: 1630.

aldebrn Wrote:

Nayr182 Wrote:I would be interested to know how many kanji appear from the 'expression' field.
Could you run the numbers on that aldebrn?

どうぞください：

* 1620: # of unique kanji appearing in the 'expression' field (sentences)
* 1503: # of unique kanji appearing in the 'word' field
* 127 kanji in expression sentences but not in word: 貨毒奨吠博尾掻幽旗蒸扇沌暖陸旬叔炊泥潔拍鉢億曇貼姻遭弊漁偽肯軟糧彰茂却誉噛牧晦航券麻痺銭濡凶斬嘆罰蛍疎巾詐欺清莫姑倹揚汁崖朴忠帝嘘騙塀鳩叩掌灰巧詣摂猛岐寮帳脈阻裂徳挟桃河薪袖詠旺栓票憾函飴漫釜譜苺湿荘廷寸貪侍碗捻召撲刈噂憂鬱超溢壇澄津妨拝粘汲狩惹籍庁罠玩
* Note that 127 is not 1620-1503=117: some kanji appear in 'word' and not in 'expression'. This is because sometimes kanji in 'word' are spelled out with kana in the 'expression'. 10 kanji in 'word' but missing from 'expression' due to this: 敢是幾揃膝癖奪御巡総
* Edit: total number of unique kanji in 'word' and 'expression' fields: 1630.

手伝ってくれてありがとう。

Nayr182 Wrote:

aldebrn Wrote:どうぞください

手伝ってくれてありがとう。

私は亀が好きだ。

I went ahead and took the liberty of separating the "Word" field in to separate fields yesterday (kanji, romaji, pos1, meaning1, pos2, meaning2, pos3, meaning3). Since I don't have any programming knowledge whatsoever it meant blowing a day fiddling around in Excel splitting/merging columns, but I think I managed to avoid screwing up anything major... hopefully. I was too burned out when I was finished to really thoroughly check it and now I don't want to.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/y57n19...e5000.apkg

No idea if this can be merged into the original deck since I tweaked some stuff to make the text exports/imports I was doing easier and split a few cards with multiple words on them into separate ones (so there are 5006 cards now), but hopefully somebody finds it useful. But even if you don't I only did it for myself anyway, so that's okay.

Thanks for the deck and to your wife for doing great audio. I've only just started it and I'm gonna work through it and core 6k at the same time.. (Bad idea?)

I am sure others will find it useful jmignot.

I am currently working on a Core5000 v2.0 which should be completed in the next few weeks.

Basically getting my sister in law to help add kanji in places where there is supposed to be kanji. And just giving it another check and making it more consistent.

For some reason the book likes to use hiragana in some places and the kanji for the same word in other places.

kraemder Wrote:Thanks for the deck and to your wife for doing great audio. I've only just started it and I'm gonna work through it and core 6k at the same time.. (Bad idea?)

I wouldn't say bad idea as much as I would say bad investment of time. If I was you I would just do one or the other.

Nayr182 Wrote:For some reason the book likes to use hiragana in some places and the kanji for the same word in other places.

Is that for general vocab? Or is it things like "to iu ~" which is always written in hiragana when it functions more like a grammatical particle than a verb.

ktcgx Wrote:

Nayr182 Wrote:For some reason the book likes to use hiragana in some places and the kanji for the same word in other places.

Is that for general vocab? Or is it things like "to iu ~" which is always written in hiragana when it functions more like a grammatical particle than a verb.

For example sometimes oishii will be written 美味しい and then other times will be written おいしい. まで instead of 迄、ごろ instead of 頃. Etc.


I want to assure everyone that these changes aren't just made willy nilly.

I have two native Japanese people go through each card one by one, making sure everything is written the way a normal every day Japanese person would write it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as doubting your methods or ability

I think the use of kanji or not, could be down to the stylistic choices of the author of the text which the people who compiled the frequency dictionary took for their example sentences.

Nayr182 Wrote:

kraemder Wrote:Thanks for the deck and to your wife for doing great audio. I've only just started it and I'm gonna work through it and core 6k at the same time.. (Bad idea?)

I wouldn't say bad idea as much as I would say bad investment of time. If I was you I would just do one or the other.

You made a good point about the time investment. I'm kind of bored of the core 6k anyway - I've started and gotten distracted doing it so many times. And from what little I've seen of this deck the sentences are in fact longer, allowing for more complex grammar, which would let me kill two birds with one stone. I think I'll just switch to this deck instead.

Will version 2.0 be an update to this deck I can download without it ruining my stats or will I be starting over?

kraemder Wrote:

Nayr182 Wrote:

kraemder Wrote:Thanks for the deck and to your wife for doing great audio. I've only just started it and I'm gonna work through it and core 6k at the same time.. (Bad idea?)

I wouldn't say bad idea as much as I would say bad investment of time. If I was you I would just do one or the other.

You made a good point about the time investment. I'm kind of bored of the core 6k anyway - I've started and gotten distracted doing it so many times. And from what little I've seen of this deck the sentences are in fact longer, allowing for more complex grammar, which would let me kill two birds with one stone. I think I'll just switch to this deck instead.

Will version 2.0 be an update to this deck I can download without it ruining my stats or will I be starting over?

If possible (unless I stuff something up) I will try to make it so you can just download the deck again and update it.