kameden Wrote:Why do you wait to add words? Why not just add everything you got from reading as soon as you get it?I add them to anki immediately. But when I study with anki I have it set to 33 new words a day. So I don't see them for the first time via anki until they come up in order. I don't instantly start studying them. I guess that;s something I could think about doing.
2014-06-30, 9:57 pm
2014-07-01, 2:45 am
If you don't instantly study them then I don't really see the point of adding your own words from reading. By the time you got to them weeks later it would basically just be a random word in a word list.
Edited: 2014-07-01, 2:46 am
2014-07-01, 4:25 am
What should he do, read a couple of pages until he adds 33 words and then stop? Or read his normal amount and review 100+ new words every day?
I think his method is the sensible one, if you want to avoid obscure premade vocab lists. At least he knows he adds words that are actually used in modern prose!
I think his method is the sensible one, if you want to avoid obscure premade vocab lists. At least he knows he adds words that are actually used in modern prose!
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2014-07-01, 5:50 am
Moregon Wrote:What should he do, read a couple of pages until he adds 33 words and then stop? Or read his normal amount and review 100+ new words every day?The second thing.
Moregon Wrote:I think his method is the sensible one, if you want to avoid obscure premade vocab lists. At least he knows he adds words that are actually used in modern prose!That's why we need better vocab lists past the first few thousand words.
2014-07-01, 6:51 am
I do something similar to PotBellyPig (in Chinese), and if I tried to add as many new words to my SRS as I encounter every day, I would get crushed by a mountain of reviews. It's just not happening.
The other alternative is to add the first 33 words you encounter in a day to Anki, and then keep on reading (and looking up a lot of words if you want, or a few words if you want) but not adding words to Anki. I'm not sure which is better -- I like to build up a big backlog of words and then spend a few days just doing extensive reading and looking up very few new words, while I study the ones I looked up earlier. All things being equal, it's probably better to see new words sooner than later, but I can see them three or four days later and still remember the situation and context where I first saw them.
I don't see why one would need to see a word again immediately for it to be useful. If I'm reading a long novel slowly, then the most useful words for me to learn are the ones that are specific to the world of the novel (like crime-related words and police-related words in a mystery) and the ones that the author particularly likes using. Even if I have a week between first reading them and adding them to my SRS, I can probably still get some use out of them.
That suits me much better than a generic vocabulary list because during the intermediate stages I think it's more efficient to read heavily in one genre, and develop a vocabulary that can handle that, than to try to read all kinds of things at once and try to develop equally the current events jargon, and the technology jargon, and the history jargon, and the crime jargon, and so on.
(I do think that it would be useful to develop specific frequency lists grouped together by genre -- light novels, contemporary novels, newspapers, TV dramas, things like that.)
The other alternative is to add the first 33 words you encounter in a day to Anki, and then keep on reading (and looking up a lot of words if you want, or a few words if you want) but not adding words to Anki. I'm not sure which is better -- I like to build up a big backlog of words and then spend a few days just doing extensive reading and looking up very few new words, while I study the ones I looked up earlier. All things being equal, it's probably better to see new words sooner than later, but I can see them three or four days later and still remember the situation and context where I first saw them.
I don't see why one would need to see a word again immediately for it to be useful. If I'm reading a long novel slowly, then the most useful words for me to learn are the ones that are specific to the world of the novel (like crime-related words and police-related words in a mystery) and the ones that the author particularly likes using. Even if I have a week between first reading them and adding them to my SRS, I can probably still get some use out of them.
That suits me much better than a generic vocabulary list because during the intermediate stages I think it's more efficient to read heavily in one genre, and develop a vocabulary that can handle that, than to try to read all kinds of things at once and try to develop equally the current events jargon, and the technology jargon, and the history jargon, and the crime jargon, and so on.
(I do think that it would be useful to develop specific frequency lists grouped together by genre -- light novels, contemporary novels, newspapers, TV dramas, things like that.)