Hello, I need somebody to answer me this questions.

If there are 196 new kanji, and RTK1 5th edition had 2042 kanji, 2042+196= 2238 ...? But RTK1 6th edition has 2200 kanji, right? where are that others kanji? on RTK3 3th Edition? And, the readings of new kanji are where? in RTK2 4th edition? cause I got RTK 3th edition?

Where I can find those 196 kanji, without changing my RTK1 5h edition, RTK2 3th edition and why RTK3 3th edition is different?

Thank you

Heisig added, removed, rearranged, and otherwise made edits to the book with every edition (this being the purpose of new editions, after all). You should regard the final edition (6th) as what Heisig believes to be the best collection of characters for a single book. If you would like to study additional kanji, you could always download the RTK 6th Ed. Anki deck and see which kanji do not match what you already have.

However, I think it's being a bit pedantic to worry so much about the minor details of added/removed kanji in Heisig's books. Heisig gives you a tool-set which should enable you to easily conquer any new kanji you see on your own. Those kanji he added or removed will turn up eventually, and you can study them on an as-needed basis. It's not about completing a collection, it's about familiarizing yourself with the kanji and preparing for future learning: a few dozen missed kanji won't make any difference, I promise.

Darukeru Wrote:Hello, I need somebody to answer me this questions.

If there are 196 new kanji, and RTK1 5th edition had 2042 kanji, 2042+196= 2238 ...? But RTK1 6th edition has 2200 kanji, right? where are that others kanji?

The 2042 already included additional kanji beyond the old joyo list, some of which were added in the new set.

As afterglowx says, it's not important. There's nothing magic about the 2238 number.

Okey, I was just wondering where those kanji are, I know that I´ll eventually see those kanji somewhere, and even other that are not in any RTK, thank you

Well you have to keep in mind before 2010 the jouyou were 1945, not 2042. So the answer to your question first question is that Heisig already had included future jouyou in RTK before 2010, and so the 2220 kanji of the 6th edition include all the jouyou and more.

In the search tab, search for the word "supplement" in thread titles, and you'll find threads where the kanji supplement (to the 5th edition) is described. You'll have to add them by hand to the site though you might find lists in those threads.

As for the readings, I think only 23 of the new jouyou weren't in the old RTK1+3, so you'll find all the others readings in your old editions of RTK2 and RTK3. For those 23 you'll have to look elsewhere (latest edition of RTK2, online, ...).

And I don't think it's pedantic to want precise, reliable information, especially when it's the Japanese government that recommends you know this information.

EratiK Wrote:Well you have to keep in mind before 2010 the jouyou were 1945, not 2042. So the answer to your question first question is that Heisig already had included future jouyou in RTK before 2010, and so the 2220 kanji of the 6th edition include all the jouyou and more.

In the search tab, search for the word "supplement" in thread titles, and you'll find threads where the kanji supplement (to the 5th edition) is described. You'll have to add them by hand to the site though you might find lists in those threads.

As for the readings, I think only 23 of the new jouyou weren't in the old RTK1+3, so you'll find all the others readings in your old editions of RTK2 and RTK3. For those 23 you'll have to look elsewhere (latest edition of RTK2, online, ...).

And I don't think it's pedantic to want precise, reliable information, especially when it's the Japanese government that recommends you know this information.

Thank you, you solved some of my doubts Yeah I just wanted to know

[Katsuo]

Darukeru Wrote:Where I can find those 196 kanji, without changing my RTK1 5h edition, RTK2 3th edition

Some figures:

Old Joyo Kanji (used before the year 2010) had 1,945 kanji.
Old Heisig RTK1 editions (pre-6th Ed.) had 2042 kanji comprised of 1,944 of the old joyo plus 98 other kanji. One joyo kanji 璽 was omitted, presumably an oversight.

New Joyo Kanji (since year 2010) has 2,136 characters: 196 were added to the old joyo list and 5 were dropped. i.e. 1,945 + 196 - 5 = 2,136
New Heisig RTK1 (6th Ed.) has 2,200 characters including all the new joyo kanji.

I made a spreadsheet with detailed information. I didn't include the old joyo specification though, thinking few people would be interested and it might cause confusion.

If you have the 5th (or older) edition of RTK1 then Heisig made a free supplement to bring it up to date with the new joyo list. Go to this page and click on "special Supplement" at the bottom.

Katsuo Wrote:

Darukeru Wrote:Where I can find those 196 kanji, without changing my RTK1 5h edition, RTK2 3th edition

Some figures:

Old Joyo Kanji (used before the year 2010) had 1,945 kanji.
Old Heisig RTK1 editions (pre-6th Ed.) had 2042 kanji comprised of 1,944 of the old joyo plus 98 other kanji. One joyo kanji 璽 was omitted, presumably an oversight.

New Joyo Kanji (since year 2010) has 2,136 characters: 196 were added to the old joyo list and 5 were dropped. i.e. 1,945 + 196 - 5 = 2,136
New Heisig RTK1 (6th Ed.) has 2,200 characters including all the new joyo kanji.

I made a spreadsheet with detailed information. I didn't include the old joyo specification though, thinking few people would be interested and it might cause confusion.

If you have the 5th (or older) edition of RTK1 then Heisig made a free supplement to bring it up to date with the new joyo list. Go to this page and click on "special Supplement" at the bottom.

Thnx! That was useful, now my doubts are solved, I think I´ll continue studying the kanjis