WARNING: This ended up being a lot longer than I intended so oops. Skip to the bold text to get your answers OP.
yudantaiteki Wrote:s0apgun Wrote:Request denied.
The moderator in me really wants to spank you but I can't help but laugh.
Someone reported your post as "Hacked account?"
That was me, and I'm not particularly happy that the post is still there. If this is the kind of post that the administrators allow members to make towards new posters with legitimate questions, I'm not sure this is a forum I need to be spending my time on.
Yeah you wouldn't be the first who feels that way... I guess when censorship started being a more conspicuous means of dealing with forum disputes I sort of withheld any expectations. EDIT: Actually now that I read this my response makes even less sense than the rest of my post but anyway yeah, double standards.
Anyway, (un)surprisingly no one has directly answered the OP's question in the midst of the standard topic derailment we've all come to love, so this will probably be my first and last serious post regarding core2k/6k.
anki_evryday Wrote:for those of you who used this deck, for an i+1 progression did you just remember the words in the ( ) or the vocab words too? for example I didn't know 腕時計 or 入学 which shows up in the beginning of the deck.
There's been so many threads made regarding core2k/6k on this forum that I
implore you to make a few searches for these threads first before making help threads. The chances that you can find your answers in another thread that's already been made is quite high. I'm not trying to single you out, but the it's really amazing how the thread frequency never quite dies out throughout the year.
To address your questions:
I did core2k in vanilla order and then core6k (the extra 4k vocab after core2k) in i+1 order. Vanilla order works fine for core2k well enough but when you cross into core6k territory it becomes really stupid and unnecessarily difficult due to the frustrations you've started seeing in core2k (which I assume you're doing in vanilla order since you gave that example). This is compounded by the diminishing usefulness/frequency of the words as you proceed into core6k.
Simply put, switch to an i+1 premade deck as soon as possible. It will make your life much easier and you'll be a lot happier for doing it.
Regarding how to test yourself, it's entirely up to you of course. It looks like you are using a cloze deck. I did not do this so I cannot vouch for the usefulness of this (if it's proper clozes then it might work okay short-term but there are some pretty non-specific words in core2k/6k and also very simplistic example sentences of which you might not get so much mileage out the deeper you go into the deck; again I haven't done this personally so take this with a grain of salt).
What I did do was something that I can only describe as being far more inefficient, which was use the shared anki deck at the time which was formatted to have 5 cards for each vocab item. The fronts would have one of five possible pieces of information: vocab (kanji/hiragana), vocab (audio), vocab (english translation), example sentence (kanji/hiragana), example sentence (audio). I would only test for the vocab in question, which meant for a set of information for one vocab item (reading, writing, meaning), given one I would have to fill in the others. So in this regard the example sentences were even less useful for me because they were like vocab cards with context.
DON'T DO THIS.
Specifically, don't do this especially if your goal is reading first and foremost because audio cards really jack up your review time.
Not only that, but going into core6k territory (not that it doesn't already happen in core2k) homonyms/synonyms really rip this review template apart. The number of parenthetical information I've had to supply for some cards just to distinguish vocab is ridiculous.
There are more issues that I could think of with this terrible template design (it's entirely my fault for using it, and whoever made it has my full respect for contributing to the Japanese language learning community whereas I haven't done anything for it), but these are the most significant issues I can think of at the moment. If you're going to spend time on something as dry as core2k/6k then I assume efficiency would be a priority for you. I think 30k cards to cover 6k vocab is self explanatory in this regard (yes I actually do have 30k cards just for core that are mostly mature - and no one believed me when I said anki ruined my life!).
If I could go back in time and warn myself (without accidentally destroying my existence butterfly effect style) I would have sternly suggested this alternative format: vocab -> meaning & reading cards and example sentence with the reading in place of the vocab item, and you have to be able to write out the corresponding vocab item (in kanji, if applicable). This is really hypothetical on my part since I never switched to this format for core2k/6k so take that with a grain of salt.
Regarding the following comment,
afterglowef Wrote:The Core decks aren't really intended for absolute beginners. I would pick up a textbook or learn basic grammar and some vocab before starting. Then you'll get the full benefit.
Yes, this is quite true. I'd say you can just run through the first 1/3 or 1/2 of Tae Kim and it will be enough to go through Core. The example sentences are really simple when grammar is concerned (I personally don't really try to understand example sentences anymore - I just try to identify the vocab and recall the information as I described earlier. I'm going for review efficiency).
That's all I have to say about core2k/6k on the forum. Feel free to shoot me an e-mail if you'd like and I'll try to get back to you as soon as possible.
Sorry for the all the parenthetical information; what can I say, Core2k/6k ruined me. Also never trust someone crazy enough to do 30k cards for 6k vocab. That's really just stupid. Anyway, I'm going to return to a lifetime of anki slavery. Hope I helped at least a little bit.
Edited: 2014-01-23, 10:37 am
