I'm wondering what other people's experiences (and to a lesser degree, opinions) with SRSing audio are. The two main ways seem to be subs2srs and the core6k deck. I've just started (literally yesterday, so I have no experience with this) the core 6k deck with audio on the front, and Japanese sentence on the back. I'm not using it for the words, just for the sentences, those are the only two fields I imported. I've been going through and deleting the super easy sentences. Pretty much if I understand it without flipping the card I hit delete, if I don't I SRS it. At least that's the plan. I've already finished the core 6k like 6 months ago (and have sense passed 10k vocab cards, reading only), but I only used it for the vocabulary, not the sentences / audio. Despite being okay at reading, I'm not good at listening at all. I think I can do about 100 new cards a day of the core deck a day, but since I just started that could be completely inaccurate.

Basically my questions are these:
1. What are your experiences with SRSing audio? (how did you set up your cards, what were your sources, etc.)
2. What was the result of your experiences? (did it help more than just using that time to listen, did you run into any trouble with SRSing, etc)
3. (optional) What is your general opinion on SRSing audio?

Basically I'm trying to figure out if it will help catch up listening level up to my reading level faster than just using that time to listen (which I will of course be doing separately).

I use audio with my core 6k deck. I wouldn't go to great lengths to download it if I didn't have it already though.

The audio and sentences are too simplistic and articulate so as the result there's not much to be gained from listening to these clips. If your basic pronounciation needs help or you have trouble with hearing certain sounds then the material may be beneficial to you. However I feel like many parts of speech that one could benefit from as a learner such as intonation, assimilation and rhythm are missing.

That's not to say that they are missing completely, but imo other material would serve you better for listening practice if you have any sort of knowledge beyond the very basics.

I feel like all I've done here recently is advocate for subs2srs. But it really is very good.

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Reposting from here, but card layout is like so:

Audio is on the front and back. I repeat the sentence aloud after listening to it - a pass is if I can repeat/read it correctly and understand what it means.
Sources are all anime - primarily Mujin Wakusei Survive, Dokidoki and Heartcatch Precure, Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi, Galilei Donna, Madoka movies 1+2, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Spirited Away, and have just started on Sora no Woto, for a total of about 5100 cards.

2. I think it's vastly superior to no audio in every way. Retention is better, and you pick up natural intonation, pronunciation, etc. I don't see any downside. My listening is not significantly worse than my reading, I think.

3. It's pretty fabulous.

Aikynaro Wrote:...

Maybe it's hard to tell, but as a result of using audio, do you think your listening has increased more than if you just spent that time listening to actual audio? Also you put the sentence on the front? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of really having audio to begin with? Or are these just reading cards that just happen to have audio?

kameden Wrote:

Aikynaro Wrote:...

Maybe it's hard to tell, but as a result of using audio, do you think your listening has increased more than if you just spent that time listening to actual audio? Also you put the sentence on the front? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of really having audio to begin with? Or are these just reading cards that just happen to have audio?

I know you asked Aikynaro, but from personal experience subs2srs enhanced my listening. Prior to using subs2srs in earnest, I had listened to Japanese constantly (audio rips of dramas mainly) and in reality never gained much from it. I later found that listening to audio rips of dramas that I had completed with subs2srs and Anki supercharged my listening. My theory is by using subs2srs, I turned the ripped audio from Japanese gibberish with bits of words I understood into comprehensible audio that I could follow along in real time.

I didn't with my first drama (hour long audio), but after the second and third drama (so now up to 3 hours of audio) it became more than apparent. I also found my speaking sounding more natural.

Your mileage may vary.

well i think it's pointless doing audio anki with the audio you mentioned because no one talks like that. It's the typical example sentence with no emotion and slow as hell right? i advocate for sub2srs too. It's much better than textbook stuff because hopefully you're sub2srsing a show you like and enjoyed watching and plus there's emotion and context. I don't do it anymore because after a while it gets time-consuming especially if you keep making them lol and anyways i have lots of japanese media to consume so it makes sense that i don't do it anymore. but i'm sure sub2srs has a place at some stage of japanese learning. i don't see why you can't benefit from it. just check out the sub2srs thread.

Nukemarine Wrote:I know you asked Aikynaro, but from personal experience subs2srs enhanced my listening. Prior to using subs2srs in earnest, I had listened to Japanese constantly (audio rips of dramas mainly) and in reality never gained much from it. I later found that listening to audio rips of dramas that I had completed with subs2srs and Anki supercharged my listening. My theory is by using subs2srs, I turned the ripped audio from Japanese gibberish with bits of words I understood into comprehensible audio that I could follow along in real time.

I didn't with my first drama (hour long audio), but after the second and third drama (so now up to 3 hours of audio) it became more than apparent. I also found my speaking sounding more natural.

Your mileage may vary.

How do you have your cards set up?

do you guys think subs2srs can completely replace core? (I'm at the 2200 mark). or would you recommend doing both

kameden Wrote:

Aikynaro Wrote:...

Maybe it's hard to tell, but as a result of using audio, do you think your listening has increased more than if you just spent that time listening to actual audio? Also you put the sentence on the front? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of really having audio to begin with? Or are these just reading cards that just happen to have audio?

Everything I'm listening to through subs2srs is comprehensible, which isn't the case with just listening to normal audio. It's not really 'listening practice' if it isn't done in a controlled environment like Anki and without definitions and everything handy - it's just straight up listening. And listening is hard because you don't understand everything and it's like trying to put together a puzzle at lightning speed without all the pieces. If you have all the pieces and know what you're listening for, it's easier to recognise it next time you hear it.
(That's the theory I pulled out of my arse just then, anyway)
So, the short answer is yes, I think it's helped. My level was so low before starting my subs2srs deck though that it's hard to make any comparisons.

My cards are primarily for vocabulary recognition - they're not intended purely as listening practice. The listening practice is bonus, although it helps with remembering words too - so it's like an ultra-mega bonus.

Quote:do you guys think subs2srs can completely replace core? (I'm at the 2200 mark). or would you recommend doing both

I've never used core, so - yeah, it can. But adding subs2srs cards is a more labour-intensive process than adding core cards, so if you're looking to sprint through lots of vocabulary keeping core might be a good idea. If you're going slow-and-steady, doing just subs2srs might be better. Or if you have time, both is, of course, an excellent option.

Nukemarine Wrote:I didn't with my first drama (hour long audio), but after the second and third drama (so now up to 3 hours of audio) it became more than apparent. I also found my speaking sounding more natural.

Your mileage may vary.

This is very encouraging. I just started using subs2srs recently. and am still on my first 1-hr drama show. Do you delete the decks after you finish them after a while? I know I'll never delete my vocabulary and grammar decks but I think these subs2srs decks can be deleted just by their specific nature.

One thing I really recommend if you use subs2srs is to set it up so that you have buffers of audio a few seconds before and a few seconds after the current sentence. You can even bring in the sentences that occur before and after the current sentence and include them in your card. I found subs2srs decks a lot more useful when I added this additional context around the current sentence. Some shorter sentences especially can be hard to comprehend when heard in isolation. Just my two cents.

Also, I personally preferred doing subs2srs early on as opposed to using core or a pre-built deck. I found it far more engaging, although as another poster said, it requires a larger initial time investment to create and annotate your decks.

Yes subs2srs is great for listening sentences.

The Morphology autotags are very useful for this. It will tag a card NotReady, Vocab, or Comprehension. Vocab tag signifies that you don't know one morphs in the sentence, comprehension means you should know all the morphs.

Comprehension tagged cards are probably the ones you want to train your ears on.

You can use this for the start of a filtered comprehension listening deck:

Quote:-isuspended is:new tag:comprehension card:2

card:2 means the second card type, it depends on how many types you have and which one is your listening one.

As the above poster suggested you probably want some sort of context lines. I prefer them just in text because if it was all audio, it would slow down reviews quite a bit.

gaiaslastlaugh Wrote:One thing I really recommend if you use subs2srs is to set it up so that you have buffers of audio a few seconds before and a few seconds after the current sentence.

This is so insanely important that it should be the default. When I first started making cards I didn't have the full context and sometimes its hard to fully understand a comment if you can't remember the previous line. This seems to happen a lot in anime where a one-liner comment will only make sense in the context of the previous one and also in dramas when the characters are doing long monologues.

Preferably, use a few episodes at a time. This approach makes the experience more direct and focused - and you'll be quick to find comprehensible input.

I decided to drop the core deck and try doing subs2srs with bleach with very basic cards. Most of the problems I have with listening is with males so I figure this is a good show to do it with (I don't really know much about the show). I have to retime the subs, but oh well.

If you pick shows, or at least genres, that you are actually interested in then you will be getting a vocab deck custom tailored to your interests. You can also use MorphMan to order your new cards in n+k order. Over time this will lead to cards with only one or two new vocabulary elements per card. Also when you import a new episode you get all of the cards you should already know first so you can rush through them and either delete them or send them straight to the review pile.