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やっと! I Finished Core2k/6k/10k, the thread

#76
I finished Core 6K at the end of January. As of that time, 73% of the cards in my deck were mature and 23% were in the "young and learning" category. The time it took me to do this was 583 hours, or a little over an hour per day for 543 days.

I obviously went through this at a comfortable pace and I kept that pace till the very end. (It was sometimes tempting to do otherwise, but Mae West said "Anything worth doing is worth doing slowly" and I agree with her.)

By the time I finished, I had read the first 12 comics of よつばと! (Yotsuba&!) plus a book on art by James Gurney called カラー&ライト (Color and Light).

Given the vocabulary that working through Core 6k allowed, I could read the above-mentioned comics and books—although there were many parts (especially with the book on art) where my understanding was either fuzzy or non-existent.

Given the comprehensible listening exposure that working through Core 6K allowed, I could also watch Japanese anime and drama shows without subtitles—although again not yet with full comprehension.

Part of the reason I could do the above was a grammar deck I made for myself of all the sentences in the new Kanzen Master books for JLPT N2 and N1, with definitions of all the words I didn’t know (perfectly and without any hesitation) into English.

But, that aside, Core6k was the biggest help here, as I am still making my way through this deck and don’t expect to finish for another two months.

As for my post-Core 6K plans, these are inspired mostly by Dr. Dunlap. More specifically, while finishing the above deck, I am going to read a novel. And after that, I'm going to read another. And after that, still another. (You get the point.)

I've already started this new part of my journey, at a comfortable pace of 10 pages per day, so just want to add that although I am adding a lot of new cards to Anki, most of their meanings make sense almost immediately upon looking them up (and sometimes in a way that makes me want to slap my forehead).

This sort of thing happened in a limited way around 3000 cards into the Core deck and I'm sure this will be much more the case 3000 cards after it. In any case, I wanted to share my experience for those who are making their way through the deck now.

Although I can’t compare it to other pre-made decks, this one has proven effective for me and very worthwhile. It probably will for you, too. So keep at it!
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#77
Just finished Core10k the other day~
Some of my advice is pretty obvious, sorry.

[Deck used]
I lump all my vocab sources into one recognition deck. This is the order I did them in:
1. Core2k cards from CorePlus
2. Core6k cards from CorePlus
3. new N1-N2 vocab from Target JLPT
4. new words from Core10kv4

My cards all look like this: front, back
Sentence audio plays on the back, and I test myself on the meaning/reading of the bolded word.

[Stats/maturity percentage/retention rate]
Cards Types:
Mature: 7169 (68%)
Young/Learn: 3447 (32%)

Answer Buttons:
Learning: 80% correct
Young: 76% correct
Mature: 87% correct

Before, I was also doing separate production reps for cards failed 7+ times, but I got lazy. I might start up again though.

[How it has improved your Japanese]
It's much easier to read & watch native material with more vocabulary.

[Primary textbooks/grammar resources used]
I had gone through Genki I-II & An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese in college. I also did RTK I before starting Core2k. I already knew a good chunk of that 2k though.

After that I didn't really go through any structured textbooks. I participated in some NHK News challenges & started reading books.

[Advice/bragging rights]
Tips:
* Set a number of new cards to do per day and stick to it.
* Learn the katakana words all together.
* Timebox
* Start off with texts that have pop-up dictionaries.
* Participate in Tadoku challenges.

[Future Japanese study plans/goals]
Personally, I like learning Japanese for media - reading detective novels & watching crime shows and whatnot.

Anki Plans:
I'm gonna just do reviews until the due counts come down a bit. Then I was thinking of learning the new vocab in KO. Then... pre-mine vocab, maybe. =/

Non-Anki Plans:
Read. Read a lot. ahahahaaa~
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#78
Congrats! That deck looks pretty awesome, do you mind sharing the template you've used for it?
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#79
ikore Wrote:Congrats! That deck looks pretty awesome, do you mind sharing the template you've used for it?
Thanks! The template is almost exactly like one I posted ~ a year ago here. :)
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#80
anritsi Wrote:
ikore Wrote:Congrats! That deck looks pretty awesome, do you mind sharing the template you've used for it?
Thanks! The template is almost exactly like one I posted ~ a year ago here. Smile
Thank you very much.
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#81
I finished 6k few minutes ago.

I'm using Core 10k optimized i+1 deck which I think it's the very best deck out there.
At first I was skeptical but the presence of audio for both sentences and vocab totally convinced me in the end.
Shadowing everyday is funny and useful and with this deck you can shadow many sentences conveniently.

Now I'm worried because in few months I'll finish the whole deck and I'll surely need more. Maybe sub2srs will do...
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#82
I have finally caught up with all the cards in my 6K deck, to which I stopped adding new cards a few weeks ago. I had 31 reviews today. I have starting trying to blaze through the 8597 sentences deck. I can understand almost every sentence or the grammatical point it's trying to elucidate. I think it's useful but I'm not trying to spend too much time on it, just using it because I think it's useful for introducing sentence forms that are quite useful and with lots of examples. I almost never push 'hard' on that deck.
Maybe I'll browse the forums to find out how to get the remaining 4k with audio/pictures for the 10k, although I think I should start focusing on reading as I plan on taking N2 in December, and might want to start making my own decks from literature and newspapers as well as getting all up in an N2 book, though I tend not to be good at finishing those kinds of books.
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#83
Just finished Core 10k! I was actually supposed to finish tomorrow, but since I only had 17 new words left, I went ahead and did them at the end of my session. I don't know if anyone else had this experience, but these last few weeks I was spending 2+ hours on 1000+ reviews. Really soul sucking, but I wanted to finish it. I'm also sitting on about 600 additional words I pulled from random places, but I won't add those until I get my reviews down to a less stressful level.
By the way, has anybody done this:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1132075078
or something similar?
I'm basically wondering if it's better to do "X new cards/day from huge set list (like the Core series)" or "just add cards you find on your own".
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#84
Congratulations Smile

I myself put Core10k on hold with about 1,500 words left to go because of low retention rate, so I know what you mean by "soul sucking."

My current opinion (which frequently changes as I collect more experience, so take it with a grain of salt) is that premade decks are great boosts at the onset when one needs to get a base of vocabulary going, but after that, they pale in comparison to mining words yourself. Sure, creating your own cards is more difficult, but once you get a groove going it can go by pretty fast and it doubles as memory reinforcement.

Mining words is a lot more fun than Anki grinding since you're valuing and weighing the words yourself before deciding to commit to each one--so they become "yours" in a more intimate way--and after amassing a 5,000+ word deck, using Anki ought to be fun after all the hard work you've put in. You deserve it, you know?

But when it comes down to it, I'd just say do whatever one you most feel like. You can always switch if you become unhappy with the process, or unhappy with your results. Or you can stop adding new cards and focus on something else for a while. Smile I'm a big believer in changing things up and keeping it fresh; as long as you're learning, do what is most fun ^_^
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#85
Kuzunoha13 Wrote:Just finished Core 10k!
Congrats! I know core can be a slog, but it's worth the effort, and, hey, you're done!

As for your question about moving forward: I've been pondering various options myself. I've been sitting on this filtered Tanuki deck graciously provided by pmnox for several months, and, though it's a nice backup plan, I'm not sure if I'll actually use it. After plowing through almost 8 textbooks and 10,000 core cards, I'm more than burned out on pre-made, academic study material. Right now I'm a little over halfway through Shin Kanzen Master N1 Grammar, and it will probably be my last "textbook" for a very long time (at least that's the plan, heh).

I finished Core 10k back in January, and it's been a major boost to my knowledge. I went from struggling with even the most mundane of native material to being able to follow all of my hobbies in Japanese. With dictionary assistance I can read pretty much whatever I want without having to look up every word. Most of the time it feels like I'm just enjoying my "weird otaku hobbies" more than actually studying. I also watch unsubbed anime and listen to podcasts daily. I've been doing so consistently for the past couple of months, and, though it's slow, I can notice the improvements taking place. Those really high-level posters who always say "just listen to a lot of Japanese" may have been right.

Anyway, getting to the point: You've been busting your ass in Anki, and it's sucked out your soul. Now's your chance to get your soul back. Set some time aside for putting what you've learned to use. Manga, video games, anime, whatever you think is cool (as long as it's Japanese). Get your words from those--or don't. Sometimes I'll hang on to a word for later, but there are times where I'll just look it up and let it go as well.

If your grammar isn't at the same level as your vocab, you may find it worth the time to study that as well. If you've cleared an "intermediate" level textbook already, you're more than ready for the N2 and N1 grammar books of the (Shin) Kanzen Master series. I published an anki deck for the N2 book here a while back, and may publish an N1 deck as well if I obtain permission from the owner of the spreadsheet I'm using.

But, as zurisu stated previously: do what feels good and stick with it. The cool thing about self-study is that we're free to replace our current method at any time--if what you're doing sucks, just try something new. Try to have fun, and take it easy (1k+ anki reps must be pretty tough). Good luck.
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#86
Good points...I'll probably just start going off words I find while mining. So, talking about Shin Kanzen Master N1 and N2, how different are they content wise compared to the Intermediate and Advanced Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar?
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#87
I posted this in the anki thread, but never got a reply.

Do you guys actually learn 20 new words a day? I have it set to that on my anki settings but realistically it gives me maybe 4-5 new words a day. The rest is reviews. Are my settings wrong? Pics below.

http://i.gyazo.com/ff266d6044f8e178f691fb88fb59daee.png
http://gyazo.com/648bf1f3f3d857332bed0b2425306e40
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#88
You did get a reply, it's the last post in that thread.

Your settings seem correct, so if it's not the subdeck issue, I have no idea what it could be.
Edited: 2014-05-12, 2:42 pm
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#89
MelonBerry Wrote:I posted this in the anki thread, but never got a reply.

Do you guys actually learn 20 new words a day? I have it set to that on my anki settings but realistically it gives me maybe 4-5 new words a day. The rest is reviews. Are my settings wrong? Pics below.

http://i.gyazo.com/ff266d6044f8e178f691fb88fb59daee.png
http://gyazo.com/648bf1f3f3d857332bed0b2425306e40
20 words a day =/= 20 cards a day. For 20 words a day, you'd have to add around 80 cards a day.

Edit : I've checked the anki thread, you actually mean you receive only 4-5 new cards a day even though you've set it to 20. I got confused by your wording in the quotation above. My bad. So yeah, if it's indeed not subdeck related, then ... well, no idea.
Edited: 2014-05-12, 3:05 pm
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#90
Oh? I must of missed it. I check the forum every day but I guess I never saw it on the recent topics. Oops.

And I was not aware that you'd have to be adding 80 new cards a day to get 20 words. Thanks.
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#91
Kuzunoha13 Wrote:So, talking about Shin Kanzen Master N1 and N2, how different are they content wise compared to the Intermediate and Advanced Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar?
Though I own the complete series of Grammar Dictionaries, I haven't used them extensively, so I can only offer you advice based on what I've heard around the forums. That said, from what I've heard, the grammar dictionaries alone won't cover enough for the JLPT. If you're planning to take the JLPT, you'll probably want to work through Kanzen at some point. You may find it useful even if you don't plan to take the JLPT, as I've had grammar I learned in Kanzen pop up several times in anime and manga (though those grammar points could be in the grammar dictionary series for all I know).
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#92
Finally added the last dregs of the Core10k (Core10kv4) today, so the only way for the reviews now is down, thank f*ck. I used Nukemarine's optimised i+1 deck for the first 6k, and this heap of shite for the remaining ~3.6k.

God I hate that deck. The only reason I'm finishing it at all is because I'm too much of an obsessive completionist to drop it, despite it being unspeakably shitty.

The time would have been *much* better spent just reading and making my own cards, which is what I was doing before deciding to 'just get it done'.

Why it sucks:

1. It's riddled with mistakes. In the last 2k cards or so, there are so many mistakes that you can't trust *any* of it and pretty much have to look up every new word to check. Most of the English translations are utterly risible. I don't need the translations, but I daresay there were plenty of mistakes that went unnoticed at my current level.

2. Poor examples. Sentences that invert the meaning of the new word, or use it in a difficult conjugation, or use it figuratively. F*cking useless.

3. Most of the sentences are a reasonable length, but some are too damn long, and many contain words that are far trickier than the supposed focus of the sentence. No good for obsessives like me who like to read the whole thing.

4. No names. There are maybe 1 or 2 cards with names (田中/鈴木?) in the entire 10k deck. Could easily have included common names with regular readings 'for free', though this is more of a desirable feature than a bug.

5. Boring vocabulary. I guess selecting words on the basis of their frequency pretty much guarantees that they will be boring little cunts.

Points 1 & 2 combine to make the last 2k or so cards noticeably harder than the first 6k.

The non-native speakers are mostly OK, but render this deck useless for beginners (I found the native audio in the core 6k deck indispensable), but I found the audio far more tolerable as an intermediate learner than I did as a beginner. The biggest problem with the speakers is that their delivery is DULL.

That said, the deck does have its merits, and I still get the odd thrill when I notice a word and think, "Hey, that was in the core10k!"

I'm mostly just hating on it because the reviews are such a chore Rolleyes
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#93
No updates in this thread for a while..

Hmm, I'm not finished but according to anki I'm officially 10% into the deck.

Honestly, I wish I could do it every day but I don't have the energy to. I usually do it 2-3 times a week, if that. I'm trying to get better though. I don't know how some of you can do anki soooo much.
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#94
Long time lurker here, but I wanted to post that I have 100% finished Core 6K as of today!

I've been wanting to learn Japanese since back in high school (2007) and have had several bouts of half hearted 2-3 week efforts that quickly petered out before this so actually finishing Core has been a huge milestone for me. I'd like to take this chance to thank everyone on here for sharing their experiences and resources - they have been immensely helpful for guiding my studies and keeping my motivation up. To anyone else out there who is on the fence, just do it and don't give up!

I started on Core in August 2013, so it's taken me about a year to finish. I also reviewed Tae Kim's anki deck/ADOBJG deck along with reviewing Imabi's site, Kanzen Master N3 grammar, and All About Particles. I also did not study using RTK beforehand, so I studied all the kanji as they came up.

As far as reading, I've read a lot of NHK News Easy articles starting sometime last year. They've became really easy, so I've been reading the normal articles lately. These are still pretty tough, but it's mostly a matter of slogging through the unknown vocabulary. Read quite a few random volumes of manga, ranging pretty wildly in difficulty. Some are quite easy, others I can barely understand. I have read some LN/VNs but finished none as they're still quite difficult and I can't finish them in a timely manner yet.

I'm thinking I'll try the N2 in December, but my reading speed is probably too miserable to pass right now. Next steps will be to do the Kanzen Master N2 books, and really shift most of the hour a day I spent in Anki into intensive reading/word mining.
Edited: 2014-09-01, 5:14 pm
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#95
I finished Core2k/6k Optimized yesterday after starting around January. It got really tricky with all these similar meanings and kanji but it felt good finishing it. I'm gonna be more stricter now when reviewing because there aren't any new cards to do so I'll have more time to get a better understanding of the words.

I don't think I'll do Core 10k anytime soon. I'm gonna try to read and study native material more now.
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#96
I've been meaning to post here, but I finished adding cards to 6K in July, and I have been doing reviews ever since. They are down to 50~60 a day, which is more than I thought I would have at this point but oh well. Retention is less than I would like but I'm moving forwards not back, so pretty happy with that.

Finishing 6K feels like quite the accomplishment when a year ago I figured I would stop at 4k words. Now, with more experience I know that I will be doing 10k too, but I won't start that until the new year. Doing CORE eats up the majority of my free time and I have to at some point get some legit reading and study in, which I have been starting to do.

At this point my reading is somewhere around N3. Up to finishing 6K my only reading experience was in textbooks/Tae Kim and so I had really no experience. Looking back, I probably should have read more as I went along. In the mean time, I have been reading White Rabbit's Graded readers, and I'm working through Level 2. They are pricey but easy to get from Amazon.jp and the art is nice and story's are not too long. It is really nice reading a complete short story entirely in Japanese with no existing translation as a crutch, and at this level I have relatively few lookups. When I do have to look something up I add it to a mining deck I have started keeping.

I also started reading NewsEasy but haven't kept up with it, at this level it is pretty manageable except all the proper nouns. I also found some premade subs-srs decks for K-On on the anki page, and I finished the first and working through episode 2 now, 15 cards a day. It is easier than I expected grammar wise, but still a lot of new vocab, which I keep track of.

Between now and the new year I hope to get more actual reading in. Finishing the Intermediate Japanese text book I have and getting started on Tobira. Also get through the 3 K-On episodes shared decks online and start creating my own with shows I'm more interested in. In January I plan to start 10K and finish next summer. At this point in my studies I know that it will be necessary.

It is odd being at this level, it is much more difficult to get a sense of progress than just working through Anki decks. This impacts my motivation a bit, plus my family life has really started to make finding time to study difficult. As long as I keep making some progress forward though, I think I will be happy.
Edited: 2014-09-25, 8:36 am
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