Hello everyone!

I hope all is well ^^. Anyway so I've recently picked up the Genki textbook and so far I'm loving it! I got up to lesson 5 in about 3 days heh. Anyway, I've been focusing mainly on my kanji studies. Usually when I see a new vocabulary word, I write down on one ling (English --> Reading ----> Kanji). After, I write the kanji out on the second line about 3 times. By doing so, I can recall each kanji in 1-3 seconds perfect reading and english meaning. However, I just can't get myself to write it out! I know all the stroke orders and that but it's just my recalling is horrible!

I made two decks (Kanji + Kanji compounds reading/vocabulary) and just (Vocabulary)
The Kanji deck is the Kanji ---> Reading, english. Vocabulary is English ---> Japanese (KANA). Now is this a problem? Both I recall 99-100% I just have so much time on my hands as when I go to school here I don't understand anything anyway, so I just pop open my genki textbook, flip open my denshi jisho and just study I guess.

So overall my question is, is recalling Kanji important? If so whats a good way to learn it, I'm focusing more on my reading skills, not so much writing as most text is done on computer anyway. But I figure if I can't even recall the Kanji and only can recognize, it may cause a problem later down the road in my studies?

I do about 20-30 words a day, with their kanji (Compounds + some kanji alone)

Second, which is better may I ask. 20-30 words with all the Kanji memorized with it, or like 60+ words only kana.

Thank you all so much, sorry for everything being so jumbled up. I'll be checking on this thread soon!

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Quote:I made two decks (Kanji + Kanji compounds reading/vocabulary) and just (Vocabulary)
The Kanji deck is the Kanji ---> Reading, english. Vocabulary is English ---> Japanese (KANA). Now is this a problem? Both I recall 99-100% I just have so much time on my hands as when I go to school here I don't understand anything anyway, so I just pop open my genki textbook, flip open my denshi jisho and just study I guess.

Kanji --> Reading/English, is a pretty common recognition deck.

English --> Kana, this is production which is less common around here. Production decks in general are less common, but can still work. The problem here is you reach a point where your English word could translate to multiple japanese words. Thus you need 'clues' to help guide you to the correct one.

I like the multiple cards per fact approach. It's something I've been doing recently and found it helps.

Quote:So overall my question is, is recalling Kanji important? If so whats a good way to learn it, I'm focusing more on my reading skills, not so much writing as most text is done on computer anyway. But I figure if I can't even recall the Kanji and only can recognize, it may cause a problem later down the road in my studies?

I have never tried Kanji production on vocab cards. I believe Nuke's guide mentions doing it on your first time with the words though...

Quote:Second, which is better may I ask. 20-30 words with all the Kanji memorized with it, or like 60+ words only kana.

Depends on your goal. If you want to be reading native materials then you should practice Kanji recognition, if you want to write by hand then production, and if you are only interested in listening/speaking then I *guess* you could just use the kana...

Personally, I would prefer to do the lesser word count but with Kanji recognition.

Thanks RawToast! If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by multiple cards per fact?

I'm guessing rawtoast meant something like Kana > Kanji and Kanji > Kana for the same fact. Or two example sentences in separate cards for one fact. etc..

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EDIT: Kanjimood is correct

By multiple cards per fact I mean you input the data once so your basic fact has:

Kanji: X
Kana: Y
Meaning: Z

Then use Anki to create multiple card templates for that information. e.g.

Front: Kanji
Back: Kana, Meaning

and

Front: Meaning
Back: Kanji, Kana

Ah this is what I do, but never decided to flip them. I'll definitely have to try it out. However, wouldn't that double my reviews?

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Yes, you will have double the reviews and have to double your new cards to continue at the same rate.

Quote:I made two decks (Kanji + Kanji compounds reading/vocabulary) and just (Vocabulary)
The Kanji deck is the Kanji ---> Reading, english. Vocabulary is English ---> Japanese (KANA).

Methinks I got mixed up. So you are doing two decks:

Kanji: Kanji -> Reading: On/Kun? English: RTK story?
Vocab: Production English -> Japanese

Sorry I don't know how to quote only one area of your post sorry ^^.

My kanji deck is pretty much my vocab production deck, just it's compounds. It's just the reading for the compounds I was wondering if thats a bit weird.

Vocab deck is the opposite, English ---> Japanese. However it's English to kana, not Kanji.

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No problem

Your kanji deck doesn't sound like anything I've seen before and not too many are fond of English -> Japanese vocab decks. If you want to SRS Genki as you go along with the book, I would recommend getting a Genki deck like:

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2491591891

And then setup your cards as you wish. The most common card people do for vocab around here is:

Front: Kanji (or kana if kana only)
Back: Kana, Sound, and English

Ah thanks I'll definitely check out the deck. Just to make sure I'm explaining right (Which I'm not good at)

Kanji deck

Ex.

Front:

飛行機

Back
ひこうき
Airplane



Also if you know,
How do you use Core 2k/6k. I've been hearing so much about it, after the audio and the word comes out. Should I write down the kanji and memorize it or something?


Edit again

I just want to make sure ;/
My production skills are absolutely horrible. I don't know why it just doesn't pop up. But like stated before, I can recall the Kanji instantly.

Does production skills come automatically? I reckon it's important and I'm planning to attend a Japanese University for my masters in about 5 years :p.

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Oh right, that makes sense now! Those cards are your standard recognition cards.

Quote:How do you use Core 2k/6k. I've been hearing so much about it, after the audio and the word comes out. Should I write down the kanji and memorize it or something?

There are various ways, the most popular being recognition which is basically the same as your Kanji deck. For cards like yours the audio should be on the answer (to evaluate your pronunciation).

Quote:Does production skills come automatically? I reckon it's important and I'm planning to attend a Japanese University for my masters in about 5 years :p.

That opens a nasty can of worms here! There are various opinions on this, so I'd rather point to previous topics:

Recent:
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=11000
Older:
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid173246
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=2809
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=10759
Methods:
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=4943

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So I made a production deck and it's been making some awesome results! I spent about 6-7 hours pretty much relearning all the kanji but yeah I'm sure it's worth it.

I'm now able to read even faster o_O, and now I can pick out kanji from different compounds and relate it to the ones I know, so production is great ^^

I do about 4 cards a minute Kanji says.
(Me with a expo board writing and erasing right after I click show answer)

Yep

I really gotta check out this CORE 2K thing, I just don't understand how it works. Am I supposed to understand the whole sentence.

The whole sentence, the related vocabulary card- whatever you like, really. Nukemarine's deck (from memory- think it is Core6k, though, but could be wrong) has a blank space where the vocabulary term being tested is, with a related English term which is used to produce (kana/kanji/pronunciation- whatever you care for) the correct/ a suitable Japanese word.

People study the Core deck in varied manners.