Crawdaddycon Wrote:If you would share that playlist with me that would be awesome.It's nothing special, really. It's an hour long, 9 songs, very upbeat. I listened to it for 12 weeks straight so that either says something about the music or my tolerance for repetition lol.
pauro02 Wrote:Just an out of the topic maybe advice.. But I can swear it's effective... Don't think that you have a bet with your dad.. Think of it as a challenge to yourself,.. Just saying though...Definitely. It was something I wanted to do(I value challenges) and my dad laughed at me when I said I was going to try and do it in 4 weeks.
Crawdaddycon Wrote:About this SRS method... The Anki software I am using, because I lack the great organizational skills that a few users are discussing, wants me to review the kanji that I know 4 days from now which isn't the SRS method. Is there a way to tweak the settings to get it to follow those guidelines?Anki is an SRS, but it's not the Leitner system (which was, I believe, talked about earlier in this thread) so it does have minor differences, but they both follow the same basic spaced repetition principles.
SomeCallMeChris Wrote:(There's a bunch of other timing settings too, but that's the most straightforward one.)I find it useful to set "Steps (in minutes)" to something like 1 10 60 for new cards and 10 60 for lapses. If there's a kanji you can't even remember for an hour, better find out an hour from now than tomorrow.
Crawdaddycon Wrote:When I stay in one location for too long I start getting kind of groggy and tired from studying. Does anyone else have a similar experience?Make sure you are taking enough breaks to eat well, get some fresh air, stretch, etc. Nothing can curb your efficiency like skipping out on those sorts of things, so it's best to just make sure you do them.
Like right now I'm at my house and I am just wiped out.
Crawdaddycon Wrote:When I stay in one location for too long I start getting kind of groggy and tired from studying. Does anyone else have a similar experience?Sounds like you need some stimulants and music to get your body into the process. 8mg of Albuterol provides a nice vibe but something like a strong cup of coffee and a decent stretch and shake (loosen up those joints and let your hair down) can really get you back in the mood.
Like right now I'm at my house and I am just wiped out.
Crawdaddycon Wrote:Maybe. Do you guys ever go to a public place and study? Puts some head phones on? I'm wondering if that will help any.My study, er, study, it a little inappropriate for quiet places to study in public. I tend to move about, sit down, lay down; shout and swear when frustrated, cheer when things click; bounce my feet and legs around; talk things through aloud (as opposed to mulling it over in my head), sing, etc. Rather not be around other people during this process.
uisukii Wrote:I would love to see some kind of summarydizmox Wrote:I see. I've got a few questions in mind but they would only disrupt the thread. Might look to see if the search function could answer a few of them.uisukii Wrote:Which volume of Remember the Kanji are you referring to?The first one
uisukii Wrote:lol. I went to hyvee for two hours today and ran into a similar problem with a few kanji.Crawdaddycon Wrote:When I stay in one location for too long I start getting kind of groggy and tired from studying. Does anyone else have a similar experience?Sounds like you need some stimulants and music to get your body into the process. 8mg of Albuterol provides a nice vibe but something like a strong cup of coffee and a decent stretch and shake (loosen up those joints and let your hair down) can really get you back in the mood.
Like right now I'm at my house and I am just wiped out.
Never underestimate the power of caffeine, stretching, music and planned frequent short breaks. Active body, active mind.
Crawdaddycon Wrote:Maybe. Do you guys ever go to a public place and study? Puts some head phones on? I'm wondering if that will help any.My study, er, study, it a little inappropriate for quiet places to study in public. I tend to move about, sit down, lay down; shout and swear when frustrated, cheer when things click; bounce my feet and legs around; talk things through aloud (as opposed to mulling it over in my head), sing, etc. Rather not be around other people during this process.
masshemorrhoids Wrote:2000 kanji in 28 days is pretty simple if you have nothing else to do. I did 100 a day but broke them in to 2 groups of 50. I didn't spend too much time on the mnemonic allowing me to cover 50 in about 30 minutes. Had I not had to work, I'd have went for 200.I run into the drowsy problem a lot and is what is keeping me from going super fast. I'm still trying to figure out something that works for me, so that being said I'll give what you said a try. I am also finding so problems with a few of his primitive meanings. Were not allowed to change the keyword though, right, as that compromises the actual meaning of the word?
For me, the key is to do your recall test for the kanji in a separate anki deck that day within 30 minutes of having done the group. I do this to stress test my rough mnemonics to make sure the story wasn't so disconnected from the keyword that I wouldn't have a chance of remembering recalling it the next day. If I'm having trouble, I know I need to give the mnemonic a little more context or I just come here and see what stories other people have created. This takes about 30-40 minutes per group. At the end of the day, I go to my main anki deck and add all the new cards to be reviewed the next day.
Since I always hit 2, the new cards always get reviewed twice in 1 sitting once migrated into my main deck. So that's basically 200 reviews added everyday on top of whatever my previous review was. My total review time, done in the morning, would take between 2-4 hours(4-800 reviews). It's tough because it's boring as hell and I get drowsy after an hour.
Retention on some days would be around 85, but once you get around 600, you kinda have a feel for what kanji will likely be used when you hear a keyword and it becomes simpler. I didn't have trouble again until around 1800. At the 2000 mark, my retention was regularly around 95%.
Do yourself a favor and discard some of the primitive names he uses that are hard to weave into stories in the future. For instance, for 'power' I renamed it Goro from MK. For thread, I renamed it tarantula... It's far easier to come up with stories this way. I don't even need to word out my stories anymore(going into rtk3) I just vaguely picture some stupid scenario , like goro's 'dilligence' in throwing cabbage, Kanye 'West' putting himself on a 'ballot', 'open'ing sharon stone's legs in that movie she did, kermit the frog 'boil'ing in water...blablabla. Far easier than imagining random objects like gates and thread and connecting them to unrelated objects/ideas.
The only times my retention went down was when I tried to stick to Heisigs primitive meanings for stuff that had no clear meaning for me. When I saw this happening, I'd rename the primitive and then see how it changed the stories for the preceding kanji.
4-6 hours a day....what a drag.....I sure hope the benefits show themselves when I get to vocab after I finish rtk3, that's for darn sure! I just can't shake the feeling that i've wasted mass amounts of time and energy...
Hashiriya Wrote:listen to lots of instrumental music while you study... (i prefer game soundtracks) I can go for 12hours a day no problem as long as I got the right music. If you are into that, there is a lot of good music here: http://ocremix.org/albums/There is some good stuff here! Thx man.
Crawdaddycon Wrote:I run into the drowsy problem a lot and is what is keeping me from going super fast. I'm still trying to figure out something that works for me, so that being said I'll give what you said a try. I am also finding so problems with a few of his primitive meanings. Were not allowed to change the keyword though, right, as that compromises the actual meaning of the word?Keyword to kanji.
For the 95% retention rate was it kanji-->keyword or keyword-->kanji?
I LOL'd at boiling hermit the frog I see that so vividly =D
Crawdaddycon Wrote:Don't think to much of the study method, but rather your habits... Try to figure out first of what is your habit in studying, of what would gonna make you retain stuffs .. It's useless to have a very thorough study method when your body psychologically will not consider it ... xD I can help you with regards to conditioning your mind studying, but I can't give you the exact study method as there are much better person here who can give you that.. If you are to ask me about my habit, my habit is studying during dawn, drinking coffee or eating dark chocolate along with it .. It is very much effective for me if I'am to memorize something that I WROTE .. yes hand written ... When I was in college, we are sometimes required to study a whole chapter for just a day .. So what I do is, I just listen and copy to what my teacher says, I don't give shits with the book as it was all discussed by our teacher, and when I got home, I'll give myself a very good sleep, and during dawn I wake up to study the HAND WRITTEN notes that I took from my teacher's very blubby mouth.. xDpauro02 Wrote:Just an out of the topic maybe advice.. But I can swear it's effective... Don't think that you have a bet with your dad.. Think of it as a challenge to yourself,.. Just saying though...Definitely. It was something I wanted to do(I value challenges) and my dad laughed at me when I said I was going to try and do it in 4 weeks.
On an unrelated note, this kind of bet is certainly not the first I have had with my dad. The gas card mentioned in the original post was actually won by dropping 50 pounds in 5 months on a similar bet. 260-->210. (I'm 6'3 so I wasn't obese, just overweight) Now I'm ~10% body fat and I have unlimited gas, much to his distaste.
About this SRS method... The Anki software I am using, because I lack the great organizational skills that a few users are discussing, wants me to review the kanji that I know 4 days from now which isn't the SRS method. Is there a way to tweak the settings to get it to follow those guidelines?
pauro02 Wrote:I similarly have found it very helpful to review the notes that I have taken when reading the RtK book as opposed to simply reading the RtK book. Something about reading what you have wrote or typed for that matter really jogs the memory.Crawdaddycon Wrote:Don't think to much of the study method, but rather your habits... Try to figure out first of what is your habit in studying, of what would gonna make you retain stuffs .. It's useless to have a very thorough study method when your body psychologically will not consider it ... xD I can help you with regards to conditioning your mind studying, but I can't give you the exact study method as there are much better person here who can give you that.. If you are to ask me about my habit, my habit is studying during dawn, drinking coffee or eating dark chocolate along with it .. It is very much effective for me if I'am to memorize something that I WROTE .. yes hand written ... When I was in college, we are sometimes required to study a whole chapter for just a day .. So what I do is, I just listen and copy to what my teacher says, I don't give shits with the book as it was all discussed by our teacher, and when I got home, I'll give myself a very good sleep, and during dawn I wake up to study the HAND WRITTEN notes that I took from my teacher's very blubby mouth.. xDpauro02 Wrote:Just an out of the topic maybe advice.. But I can swear it's effective... Don't think that you have a bet with your dad.. Think of it as a challenge to yourself,.. Just saying though...Definitely. It was something I wanted to do(I value challenges) and my dad laughed at me when I said I was going to try and do it in 4 weeks.
On an unrelated note, this kind of bet is certainly not the first I have had with my dad. The gas card mentioned in the original post was actually won by dropping 50 pounds in 5 months on a similar bet. 260-->210. (I'm 6'3 so I wasn't obese, just overweight) Now I'm ~10% body fat and I have unlimited gas, much to his distaste.
About this SRS method... The Anki software I am using, because I lack the great organizational skills that a few users are discussing, wants me to review the kanji that I know 4 days from now which isn't the SRS method. Is there a way to tweak the settings to get it to follow those guidelines?
Crawdaddycon Wrote:I run into the drowsy problem a lot and is what is keeping me from going super fast.I had this problem in uni. Napping didn't seem to help. What I did find helped a lot though was just to set a timer and spend 10-15min on the exercise bike and had tons on energy to study after. It helped a lot. If you don't have a bike I'm sure a bit of jogging helps as well.
Inny Jan Wrote:There's nothing much to say... I just sat down with Anki and memorised them by brute force.uisukii Wrote:I would love to see some kind of summarydizmox Wrote:The first oneI see. I've got a few questions in mind but they would only disrupt the thread. Might look to see if the search function could answer a few of them.
juniperpansy Wrote:I'm going to try a light jog and see if that gets anything going next time.Crawdaddycon Wrote:I run into the drowsy problem a lot and is what is keeping me from going super fast.I had this problem in uni. Napping didn't seem to help. What I did find helped a lot though was just to set a timer and spend 10-15min on the exercise bike and had tons on energy to study after. It helped a lot. If you don't have a bike I'm sure a bit of jogging helps as well.
buonaparte Wrote:Finally something interesting . . .I agree, this has been pretty amusing so far. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
dizmox Wrote:Wow sir very nice. That must have taken forever and a half.Inny Jan Wrote:There's nothing much to say... I just sat down with Anki and memorised them by brute force.uisukii Wrote:I see. I've got a few questions in mind but they would only disrupt the thread. Might look to see if the search function could answer a few of them.I would love to see some kind of summary
