Cool idea JR7.

That being said though I've found the way core2000 does this is even better and more efficient.

Each card has a single sentence with the keyword bolded. As soon as the card is shown my eyes focus on the keyword. If I don't know it I then read the sentence its in. i haven't had an issues of 'accidentily' cheating while doing this.

I'm guessing you've used core2000 cards as well... did you their method didn't work well for you? Curious...

juniperpansy Wrote:Cool idea JR7.

That being said though I've found the way core2000 does this is even better and more efficient.

Each card has a single sentence with the keyword bolded. As soon as the card is shown my eyes focus on the keyword. If I don't know it I then read the sentence its in. i haven't had an issues of 'accidentily' cheating while doing this.

I'm guessing you've used core2000 cards as well... did you their method didn't work well for you? Curious...

I have, and the problem still remained, because there are just too many contextual clues. It's not uncommon for me to know the entire sentence even before reading a single word, just by the layout of the sentence. This is particularly true for sentences I've failed recently, which are the ones I most need to study.

By first isolating the kanji, it forces you to really focus on it. I'm assuming you've tried this 2-Step method? It's got the target words bolded as well (which I agree helps).

people man, people.

Epwing2Anki is a great idea, Vileru.

Hmm, this also makes branching easier...
So many possibilities!

Bit late to the party, but I made a deck to demonstrate how you might do "show random sentence from a pool of sentences" in response to a post on the Anki Users forum. It might have been someone from this thread who asked it. It's just a bit of javascript and CSS.

It's just a demo so it still needs work, if anyone is interested.

Sorry if I haven't tried this yet, but just to clear things for myself before I do (I've been planning to make a new deck using the 5000 innocent novels word frequency list):
@aspiring can you use this add-on with Epwing2Anki?

@tashippy
yeah, just match fields before creating the import file

Aspiring Wrote:Hmm, this also makes branching easier...
So many possibilities!

Thematic branching, what great potential! It's easy to draw on paper but have no idea how it would work as an Anki plugin...

Something like allocating thematic groupings via tags then having the Step 2 sentence contain related thematic terms you can click on to bring the next Step 1 vocabulary fact / process around, thus continuing the branching... yeah, it works in my head but computers don't think like people.

What kind of themes by chance? You mean like within the sentences or the Kanji learning order? Something like RTK2 or optimized core? Or even a story?
Perhaps I'm not familiar with what you mean by 'branching'.

tashippy Wrote:What kind of themes by chance? You mean like within the sentences or the Kanji learning order? Something like RTK2 or optimized core? Or even a story?
Perhaps I'm not familiar with what you mean by 'branching'.

Ah, yeah, sorry- got a bit ahead of myself.

By themes I mean words which fall into a related central context: such as "school", or "the home", "bedroom", or other things like "common flora and fauna", "domestic animals", "vegetables", "foods", etc. There are a number of studies floating around which show that vocabulary is 'easier' to memorize in thematic groups (like how certain vocabularies exist within certain genres of literature, etc. and a lot of the words can be remembered in by recalling related words which help provide a stronger internal context for the vocabulary)- or at least has a good "bang for your buck" for learners who already have a basic vocabulary and sense of the target language structure in their mind.

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Now say there are 100 tagged cards in a given theme. Using JRO7's format, you would have Step 1 as 1 out of the 100 cards within the group, then clicking on the card could randomly pull out 1 out of a given number of related sentences from a pool somewhere. This sentence could be pulled out of the the pool with the basis that it contains at least the current vocabulary item +1 other related vocabulary items from the thematic group, which would be clicked on (or not, either way) and become the next vocabulary item to test for the next card's Step 1. Thus repeating the cycle and grading as you normally grade Anki cards.

Only with those failed cards showing up (at whatever time you have Anki reshow your failed cards) and repeat the process of drawing out a random sentence and following through with the next related thematic vocabulary item. The "randomly generated sentence" could be tailored to suit the due cards, effectively excluding cards which contain only the vocabulary fact being tested in Step 1 and another vocabulary item which has been graded as easy, or is due at a much later date; removing it from the pool, leaving those vocabulary items which are still not as matured.


えっとさぁ… I'm really not good at explaining this things in a textual format. Nor do I have any idea just how possible it would be to create a plugin which has these features. I get all of these images in my head but, yeah, thinking of something is a lot easier than actually implementing it.

Ok interesting

JapaneseRuleOf7 Wrote:I'm assuming you've tried this 2-Step method?

Nope I haven't used anki in like 6 months. Happy to say that I am at a point where I can do native materials without it (mostly LOL)

juniperpansy Wrote:Ok interesting

JapaneseRuleOf7 Wrote:I'm assuming you've tried this 2-Step method?

Nope I haven't used anki in like 6 months. Happy to say that I am at a point where I can do native materials without it (mostly LOL)

That's interesting, because I always thought of Anki as being the way to optimize the use of native materials.

Many of the sentences I put into Anki come from native materials. If you're sure you'll read that word over and over in authentic texts (like "earthquake" or something), then you wouldn't need to Anki it. But for a term that seems useful but is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon, well, that's where Anki comes in. And having the ability to test every card twice (once without context, and once with) seems to me quite valuable.

JapaneseRuleOf7 Wrote:

juniperpansy Wrote:Ok interesting

JapaneseRuleOf7 Wrote:I'm assuming you've tried this 2-Step method?

Nope I haven't used anki in like 6 months. Happy to say that I am at a point where I can do native materials without it (mostly LOL)

That's interesting, because I always thought of Anki as being the way to optimize the use of native materials.

Many of the sentences I put into Anki come from native materials. If you're sure you'll read that word over and over in authentic texts (like "earthquake" or something), then you wouldn't need to Anki it. But for a term that seems useful but is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon, well, that's where Anki comes in. And having the ability to test every card twice (once without context, and once with) seems to me quite valuable.

This is one of the uses I have for Anki as well (though I'm still going through Core as well). Actually, it's probably the best use for it. I've noticed, as I've gone through the Optimized Core deck, that words (especially compounds but some single kanji ones as well) I haven't read in native texts are far more difficult to remember. I guess my brain just can't justify remembering something it hasn't experienced outside of studying.

I think I'll make all of my personal decks using this format, as long as it'll work on AnkiDroid. I'll be keeping my Core deck the same though, since I'm already in a groove with it and nearly half-way through.

This method sounds quite promising and I'd be interested in trying it. Especially more abstract words/onomatopoeia/adverbs etc. give me a hard time, as I can't really memorize them on their own without some context.

E.g. I have a hard time disambiguating between those:
すっきり
すっかり
ざっくり
ぐったり

In order to switch to this method, I'd have to modify my cards though. As a lazy guy, I'd strongly prefer to do that using some scripting and programming rather than having to do everything manually. Can anybody give me some pointers about how I could achieve that?

I generated most of my cards with epwing2anki using default settings, so my example field contains both the Japanese example sentence and the English translation. Example:

▲細心の注意をもって。 With the greatest circumspection; with studious care; meticulously; scrupulously.
▲細心の注意を払う。 Pay the closest attention 《to…》.

So I'd need to split off the Japanese part and store it in a separate field I guess. Or is there a clever way using HTML/CSS/Regex/whatnot to only display the 'Japanese characters' of the example field on the front of my cards?