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If you use this website for reviews, you can go here to see your most failed kanji: http://kanji.koohii.com/review/flashcard...nt&order=1

And what box is it currently in?

Mine is 借 (borrow) with 13 fails, but I've finally gotten it to box 5. I kept confusing it with 貸 (lend) :x

((Also I'm not sure if 13 is exceptionally high, but if it is, it's probably because I've fallen completely off the rep wagon on two separate occasions. Hehe.))

I have two that I have failed the most.

The first is 械 contraption. I keep mistaking it for other Kanji, especially 操 maneuver and 揚 hoist, because the story I came up with is too similar. I failed it 5 times, passed it 9 times, and is currently in box 5.

The second is 麦 barley. Before moving to the Heisig method, I picked a book that let me learn the first 250 kanji in native learning order. So I've learned first and second grade Kanji through brute force, so that I could at least manage myself a bit with beginner texts. Barley is simply the one that didn't stick to my head the most. I've failed it 5 times, passed it 10 times, and is currently also in box 5.

I got 17 Kanji behind that I've failed 4 times, all at least in box 4. Things are going quite smoothly for me. Nowadays, the Kanji I fail are usually recently learned Kanji.

So, quick question.. "box 4", "box 5", what's this referring to?
And, where do I find it?

For me it's a three-way tie between 総 (general), 岳 (point) and 握 (grip). I've failed each of them four times. I have 25 kanjis that I have failed three times as well.

This one: 粒. I've got no idea why I've failed this one 11 times...

The shared second place consists of 踊, 絡, 微 and 常 with 9 fails. All of these have finally stuck now though.

I have been reviewing RtK ever since I finished it last September.

Taelia Wrote:So, quick question.. "box 4", "box 5", what's this referring to?
And, where do I find it?

Boxes are just the compartments explained in detail here: http://kanji.koohii.com/learnmore

And you find you own summary of them on the main site (when you're logged in) here: http://kanji.koohii.com/main ^^

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Stian Wrote:The shared second place consists of 踊, 絡, 微 and 常 with 9 fails. All of these have finally stuck now though.

踊 is my second most failed at 11 XD Pesky little thing!

Yeah @Stian 微 was tought for me, too. Recently, my reviews have really shrunk for RTK. It's under twenty a day now. Every once in a while I add the next few kanji from RTK3 but I'm in no rush there.

Any way to check this on Anki?

@tashippy: 微 finally stuck for me when I learnt the word 微笑む. I have forgotten way too many mnemonics. :p
For some reason, it jumped up to 30 a day straight after I moved my RevTK data into Anki (no offence, Admin; I just prefer to have everything at one place)...and today it bounced up to 50. I've got no idea what's going on.
And I think I've only got three RtK3 kanji: 狙, 誰, and 俺.

@haplochant: Go to the browse screen and enable the category "failed" and sort by it.

My most failed are 嘆 and 程, both with 8 fails. "Sigh" kept getting me because the keyword is a bit vague. It finally stuck after I re-did my story to include the famous "Bridge of Sighs" in Venice (which I've seen, so I have a nice image for it too). 程 used to get me because I kept mixing it up with another kanji, whose keyword escapes me now :p

Usually my most failed ones are the ones with the less concrete meanings, or ones I didn't have as strong a visual for.

Here's my top 5 from RTK1:
57 lapses - 徳 - benevolence; currently 2.1mo interval
48 lapses - 慕 - pining; currently 2.5mo interval
45 lapses - 誘 - entice; currently 27d interval
45 lapses - 雑 - miscellaneous; currently 3.2mo interval
42 lapses - 傑 - greatness; currently 1.3mo interval

I don't really have trouble with a lot these now, though, since I learned a lot of vocabulary to go with them by reading and studying for Kanji Kentei.

Here's my top 5 from RTK3:
32 lapses - 凌 - pull through; currently 23d interval
25 lapses - 填 - stuff up; currently 7d interval
22 lapses - 黎 - tenebrous, dawning; currently 5d interval
21 lapses - 倦 - fed up; currently 7d interval
20 lapses - 檜 - Japanese cypress [fancy fancy fancy]; currently 3d interval

I still have trouble with a lot of these, and a few of them are easily confused with other kanji that have similar meanings. With the last one, though, it's an issue of the top of it being a full roof instead of a partial one like 噌. This is why those keywords are different from the ones you probably know for them. At some point I just started making up my own keywords, and giving hints to differentiate.

It would be really neat if Fabrice could give site-wide statistics on stuff like this. It would be really interesting to know what the most difficult to grasp kanji in RTK and RTK3 are.

zurisu Wrote:Mine is 借 (borrow) with 13 fails, but I've finally gotten it to box 5. I kept confusing it with 貸 (lend) :x

These do come in a pair for 貸借（たいしゃく） - lending and borrowing/credit and debit, as well. Will this help you? Probably not...

伸 Expand, for some reason I always confuse it with 拡, broaden.

Such a pair helped me with 秘 and 密 which I kept confusing a really long time ago. ひ密 on one card and 秘みつ on the other card. Give it a chance.

I used to have trouble associating 密 too closely with 秘密 so I'd always forget what words like 密着 or 密度 meant.

I did it because of the keywords, "secret" and "secrecy" although I know that 密 has a different meaning.

JusenkyoGuide Wrote:伸 Expand, for some reason I always confuse it with 拡, broaden.

I did that at first too, but then I pictured Mr. T blowing into a monkey's arse, and the monkey expanding like a balloon, and that sorted that one right out^^

For 密, my image was always associated with the city of Petra, carved into the cliff faces (they sorta look like mountains), so I didn't get those two confused. I imagined a city shrouded in secrecy, with the houses carved out of the mountains...

膣

My story connects 秘 with "Victoria's Secret" so I don't really have trouble ^^

権 (6 times). I know a word with it (権利) but somehow it just never sticks.

補 Even after 80+ repetitions I still keep on forgetting it...

Hi !

> MidoriHappy
Did you try changing your sentence for a better one ?

When I see that the story doesnt work well, i change it and it becomes much easier !!


My top (RTK1) (French)

#393 誕 Nativité 18 fails
#387 越 Doubler 16 fails
#94 頂 Placer au sommet 16 fails
#278 導 Directives 15 fails
#1196 奔 Précipitation 14 fails

maxthornbow Wrote:権 (6 times). I know a word with it (権利) but somehow it just never sticks.

I imagine Hercules beating Pegasus over the head with the tree of authority, trying to make him do what he wants. Maybe that helps?

疲れる

Sad I see and hear it so many times to... Yeah I get it wrong every single time.

お疲れさま！

For me it is "ring" and "send back." I don't even have to look at my stats to know that!

I don't know what it is about these kanji. They drive me nuts though. I need to work on better stories for them.

I've taken a break from RTK now. I waited so long to do reviews (I think it's been over a year since I stopped at 1400 something...ooops), that I'd like to just start over fresh. At this point I'd probably fail at least 70% of the cards. My plan is to finish Japanese for Everyone, then do RTK again (should be quick until I get to the 1400s), and I'll try to read Yotsubato for fun at the same time. After RTK is done it's on to Tobira and more reading :-).