I downloaded the ones on the Japanese shared deck page @ ankiweb.

Core 2000 is divided into 10 "steps" (individual decks), and Core 6000 has 12. There's just under 30,000 cards between them, but I've noticed they create three cards per sentence: one for Listening, one Reading and one for Production, so there's probably less than 10,000 unique sentences in total.

30,000 cards sounds like something that will take 2 years on non-stop work to complete. As much as I want to move forward, are there other things that need equal consideration? Grammar for example (it's the only other thing I'm aware of).

I'm fixed on going to Japan between August 2014 - August 2015 and I reaally want to cover as much ground as I can in terms of a) listening comprehension and b) speaking ability. I have 17 months to work with.

I've recently re-downloaded a core deck for Anki2, and it is the "Core 2K/6K Optimized Japanese Vocabulary" deck, with a close where the appropriate vocab term should be. I'm pretty sure it is the one which Nukemarine did up (the order is pretty sweet in that you aren't thrown a shittonne of unknown terms while trying to memorise the actual vocab word). This deck has 5999 cards.

I've no idea where 10,000 is coming from, but unless there are double entries or something, it doesn't really sounds like you've got the core deck.

If you want the one I'm using, I could email it to you (if you can't find it in the shared deck page). To be honest, whatever deck you're using sounds like overkill. Core is useful in that it covers terms you're going to see everywhere, and the example sentences use basic grammar (if grammar is an issue).

If I were in your position (which I'm not, so take this as a grain of salt), I would use the deck I'm using, or a similar one (which covers the basic 6000 words), and get through it as soon as possible (if the grammar isn't an issue) and keep up with the reviews.

To be honest, it does take a fair while for Japanese grammar -as logical/simplistic- as it is (in that there is a certain predictability and accessibility which, for example, English doesn't really allow for the basic "level") will take time and exposure to start to "feel normal". BUT, you'd be surprised how little it takes for your pattern recognition ability to be rendered all but useless by the sheer volume of the pool of words even the more "basic/simple" native reading material draws from.

Something basic and easy to get through like core can pay dividends down the track when you're trying to read more advanced grammatical examples and you don't have to worry too much about encountering unknown terms. Okay, some find it boring, but even so it isn't something you're going to be trying to initially encounter and learn for all that long. 50 words a day isn't really that much, as long as you don't stuff around with the reviews. For example, even if you fail 20 cards, 20 times in the same review session, if you only give yourself a few seconds before either knowing or not knowing the word, the overall review time, even with hundreds of cards, won't take more than a few hours, if that, and even that is an extreme example.

Thanks.

Ok, I'm sold on using Nukemarine's deck. Does everything in Tae Kim's guide cover all of the grammar? Inevitably I'll still be working on it after I complete RTK 1+3.

uisukii Wrote:BUT, you'd be surprised how little it takes for your pattern recognition ability to be rendered all but useless by the sheer volume of the pool of words even the more "basic/simple" native reading material draws from.

I've been acutely concerned about something like this, so I think I'll focus on core and basic grammar before actively expanding my vocabulary.

Animosophy Wrote:Thanks.

Ok, I'm sold on using Nukemarine's deck. Does everything in Tae Kim's guide cover all of the grammar?

The core deck is pretty much very basic sentence structures, with the primary focus on the vocab word. Tae Kim's guide easily covers the structures you'll come across in the core 6000 sentences.

I see, well I downloaded the 5999-card deck but I don't hear any audio in the first 2000 cards. There's audio in the rest. Is this a problem on my end or with the deck itself?

I've got audio. Umm... I'll have a look at my set up.
Okay, there are two folders in my "Anki" folder, in "My Documents", called:
Core 2000 Japanese Vocabulary.media
Japanese Core 6000.media

Further more, in the "User 1" folder there is a folder called "collection.media", which I believe may have the files from the above two folders within them.

What I am going to assume from this is that while I was using Anki (not Anki2), I downloaded those two folders with the audio, and after upgrading, Anki2 automatically found those media files and copied them into the relevant folders. Umm... I'll have a quick look into the forum to see where I may have downloaded those folders...


Okay, try these:

http://www.mediafire.com/?1itzmjondnz
http://www.mediafire.com/?oyddnozmbd2

Download them and place the contents within the "collection.media" folder within your Anki2 user folder. If using Anki, and not Anki2, try putting the two folders within the "collection.media", and see if Anki finds the files. If it doesn't, try placing the individual files alone, directly into the "collection.media" folder.


Happy hunting! (sorry about the poor instructions)

Is there a simple way in Anki 2 to switch to one of those "optimized" core decks while retaining reviewing records from my standard Core 2K, which I have been studying for a long time already?
I would not like to start everything again from scratch…

jmignot Wrote:Is there a simple way in Anki 2 to switch to one of those "optimized" core decks while retaining reviewing records from my standard Core 2K, which I have been studying for a long time already?
I would not like to start everything again from scratch…

Sorry, your guess is as good as mine. I still don't really know how to use Anki2 properly. Most of it is trial and error at the moment, with the hopes that I don't go and make a few changes to one deck and entirely ruin the rest of my decks, lol.

:/

It works! Mucho gracias, uisukii.

Animosophy Wrote:It works! Mucho gracias, uisukii.

That's great news! Have fun with it!

uisukii Wrote:I've no idea where 10,000 is coming from, but unless there are double entries or something, it doesn't really sounds like you've got the core deck.

The last 4,000 sentences were extracted from the JSensei iPhone app, produced by the same company (Smart.fm before, iKnow! currently). They were extremely useful to me, I crammed them in 2-3 months and I could readily sense the BIG improvement on my Japanese level. If you liked the first 6,000 and feel lazy to make your own cards, you simply can't afford missing the complete 10k sentences deck.

Warp2243 Wrote:

uisukii Wrote:I've no idea where 10,000 is coming from, but unless there are double entries or something, it doesn't really sounds like you've got the core deck.

The last 4,000 sentences were extracted from the JSensei iPhone app, produced by the same company (Smart.fm before, iKnow! currently). They were extremely useful to me, I crammed them in 2-3 months and I could readily sense the BIG improvement on my Japanese level. If you liked the first 6,000 and feel lazy to make your own cards, you simply can't afford missing the complete 10k sentences deck.

Do you know where to find deck with those 4000 sentences? I don't think they are in the decks OP mentioned. For (almost?) every word in those decks there are 5 different cards (Listening & Production + 3 cards (L, Pr & Reading) with sentence with that word). 30000/5=6000 so there's no more room for additional sentences (at least this is my guess after calculations, I haven't finished this deck yet).

Yeah, it's here :
Core 10000 anki deck?
At least the DepositFiles link is still valid, normally in this 727 Mo file you have the deck + the 10,000 audio sentences files. The 4,000 additional sentences have -1 in the MasterIndex field so you can retrieve them quickly. Actually there are only 3578 cards (and I believe there aren't others).

Warp2243 Wrote:

uisukii Wrote:I've no idea where 10,000 is coming from, but unless there are double entries or something, it doesn't really sounds like you've got the core deck.

The last 4,000 sentences were extracted from the JSensei iPhone app, produced by the same company (Smart.fm before, iKnow! currently). They were extremely useful to me, I crammed them in 2-3 months and I could readily sense the BIG improvement on my Japanese level. If you liked the first 6,000 and feel lazy to make your own cards, you simply can't afford missing the complete 10k sentences deck.

Hmmm... could be an interesting goal. Only really just restarted the Core2K/6K this week, so it will probably take another 50~60 days to complete, depending on how fast I want to go through the other decks I'm revising with in Anki2.

Suppose it couldn't hurt to have 10k worth of simple smart.fm style sentences for fast vocab revision.

Thanks for the heads up.

Use the Core 6000 based decks based off of Smart.fm/iKnow! first since the audio is at a more natural speed and they probably include the part of speech as well. Then do the ~3600 additional words in the Core 10000 deck if you want more (and you are not sick of it by then :>).

(double post)