#1
hey everyone,

right now i'm trying to find a school in either tokyo or the kansai area that would be able to teach me for the short term. i'm hoping to find a school that will organize a homestay and perhaps offer private lessons.

to give you a better idea, i'm looking for a school that is similar to Genki JACS: http://www.genkijacs.com/

i had a great time at that school, but i'm hoping to explore more of japan. as much as i love the school and fukuoka, i need a taste of something new.

also, if anyone knows of any other schools that teach for the short-term (but may not be in kansai or tokyo), that would be absolutely fantastic.

as a final note, i live and work in japan, so anywhere is ok... though i'd prefer to go no further north than tokyo, and no further south-west than kobe//osaka.

thanks for any help,
tom
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#2
In my city:

http://www.yamasa.org/index.html

I hear great things about it, tho I have never had time to try it myself. They draw students from all over the world, so it's pretty popular.

Not a short distance from Tokyo (about 3 hrs via shinkansen + meitetsu), but within the range you asked for.
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#3
Yamasa is GREAT. I studied there for three months, and wished I could have stayed longer. It seems to attract interesting, diverse people, and is probably the best value in Japan. They have a Hokkaido summer course and the main campus in Okazaki, Aichi-ken. Okazaki's okay, but kind of a car town. There's a big Brazillian population, and Nagoya's a half-hour away. (I'm not a Nagoya fan, and I got a little stir crazy after a couple months.)

Dunno schools in Kansai, but there have to be some...

Meguro is in Tokyo, and has a good reputation, though it can't grant visas.

I want to study at the Maguro Japanese Language Center. God, I'm hilarious.

Can you say a little more about the school in Fukuoka? I love that town and want to go back...
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#4
sure.

genki is a small school that is right in the heart of the city. from the school you can (and will) go all over the place. and the staff will be more than happy to help you arrange trips to nagasaki, beppu, etc.

classes are as small as advertised, and the teachers are high quality. i've been two times (once for a 3 week winter program, and once for a 5 week summer program). i had good experiences both times, though the summer heat was brutal. i think i'll get up to hokkaido next summer.

they teach in japanese. they don't use english. the only problem with this method is that the students are not required to do the same... so sometimes they would go off and rant. this killed a few of the classes, but it didn't take too much away from the over all experience. i think this was an experience unique to the class i found myself in (one or two wealthy kids that had the "i'm going to party all summer, get bucked up, and if i learn a little japanese along the way, all the better" attitude... they didn't value or respet the opportunity they had... though in the higher level classes i never heard a word of english, and the students did their best to speak japanese all the time). i plan to return, but i want to see more of japan first.

anyway, yamasa looks pretty great. i'd only have about three weeks, and i'd like to do the private or semi-private option. billy... can you speak a bit about the yamasa style? will they be giving homework? will there be written assignments? i'm hoping that there are plenty of the latter... i'd really like to struggle for those three weeks. there is nothing i hate more than an easy class.

on another note, i'd like to hear about your three month experience, where you started the program, and where you were at the end. you can send me a private message if you'd like...

i'm actually surprised that with all the discussions these forums have regarding text books, flashcards, and memorizing sentences (yawn), that people haven't talked about their actual learning experiences in schools throughout japan and their home countries.
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#5
My only school learning for Japanese sucked. I did a month course in Tokyo which was mornings only (9-12.30). I got stuck in the beginner class which was annoying because it meant the first 2.5 weeks were like a long, slow review. The teachers didn't speak any English, which should have been a good thing, but they weren't very good at teaching either. This meant that after a while the teacher would explain something in Japanese and then I'd explain it again in English for the rest of the class...

I was never a fan of school teaching when I did french at school, so I'm not sure what I expected, but I had a broken arm at the time so couldn't do any summer travelling. I used the course as a reason to get out the house everyday. Would have been nice to be challenged as well though.

I don't plan on doing any courses again. I'm using the sentence method (which is not about memorising them, just their readings, meanings etc) and can see I'm making progress. When I reach the production stage I have several Japanese friends who I will be able to practice with.
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#6
I went to a school in Tokyo called Kai Japanese Language School. I studied there for over a year. I had a brilliant time and would recommend it, especially for beginners.

http://www.kaij.jp
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#7
I'd love to hear more reports on schools in Japan. I'd be looking at relatively short term programs, but I'm sure there are people looking for long terms programs as well. I did the Intensive 1st year over the summer at UC Berkeley. Out of 30 students, maybe 5 students had no real background in Japanese. Most people seemed to have already studied for years or learned Japanese at home.

The course was a well organized grammar boot camp. I was told that they pack two years worth of grammar into one year. The method was structured grammar exercises done in pairs with the teacher walking around supervising. Speaking was not emphasized at all. About 350/400 kanji were introduced in context. The 2nd and 3rd year programs looked like a lot more fun. I didn't take the placement exam, but most people who did got placed in 1st year including one guy who had majored in Japanese and signed up for third year. This course is geared towards students who plan to complete the 3 year basic Japanese sequence at Berkeley. It's sort of like RTK 1 in that sense, because if you don't go on to the higher levels it's not very useful.
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#8
TGWeaver, thanks for the info on Genki-- maybe I'll save some pennies and head back to beautiful Fukuoka! I'll try to give a summary of my Yamasa experience here, overlong but with headers for navigating ease.

Yamasa is accredited and has a lot of people going through for work or university, so it's pretty intense academically. Probably the largest single nationality is Taiwanese, but no one group dominates-- my class had Europeans, Americans, and Asians. It also seems to get a LOT of interesting people going through-- Nordic metalheads, HK fashionistas, young folk and people in their 50s. And everyone got along great. I hate competition in language learning, and while I saw a little evidence of it, it was never in my face. There's just a great vibe there-- being there reminded me of everything I love about Japan, rather than the bad stuff.

ACADEMICS
They have two tracks, one "academic" (AIJP) and one more conversational (SILAC). Both are all Japanese all the time-- even if you don't like school, you will learn Japanese just by being there. I can't speak to SILAC curriculum, except that it works, and it's what people studying short-term seem to do. AIJP has a three-month semester system, with classes from A (top) to however low they go-- I think we were down to Q or S. I was in the middle Smile but the class rankings are vague-- we had people who were taking the 1kyuu and 2kyuu both in my class, and another the 3kyuu(!) It seemed standard for people who came in with NO Japanese to get up to the top 3 or 4 classes in a year and a half, more or less. That kind of amazes me.

You'll have one main teacher and then a rotating cast of other teachers, five or six. 20 hours a week, plus four electives (IIRC). The electives are with other teachers, 1 hr/week on a certain topic (kanji, conversation, keigo, etc). The main curriculum in AIJP, at my level, anyway, followed the New Approach textbooks, which have an essay for each unit used to present grammar points & vocab. One of my teachers told me as an aside that she thought the grammar explanations were too detailed, and you'll get a lot of explanations of nuance.

The methodology is very Japanese-- games, grammar explanations, giving you a text for homework and then reading it out loud and pouring over its during class. Our teacher liked to use blow-ups of our ID pictures he pasted on drawings on the white board. I don't know that I agree with all the Japanese ideas about language learning, but the instructors are committed and the texts and classes are good. Like all J-schools, it's pretty JLPT-centric, but I wasn't aiming for it and some of my classmates weren't either.

Also, the teachers are generally younger and are accustomed to being around foreigners-- they hear a lot of baby-steps Japanese all day and it's doesn't seem to faze them.

HOMEWORK
We had a TON of assigned homework, in my opinion, but the trick is that you kind of don't have to do it all. The open secret is that everyone's paying to be there, so it's not like you get detention. I couldn't keep up after a point, and I felt like a jerk not doing it, so I was kind of surprised when I got good marks for the semester. Part of it was that they drown you in xeroxes, and paperwork & I are not on speaking terms.

A lot of the handouts have stuff you won't find in any textbooks, too-- like m_m and ^_^; and other stuff-- I knew what [kana]kke[/kana] felt like, but not what it meant beforehand.

PRIVATES
You can do only privates, if you can afford it. It costs a multiple of the regular fee, but you would learn a LOT. I did a couple here & there, and found the instructors there (who are different than the other courses) of very high quality, and you have a lot of flexibility for what you want to study. It's Japan, so there's always a script-- no winging it. I ended up writing some essays with one, and then going over them. And there's just a lot more chance for conversation, even small talk, in a one-on-one environment. Definitely the way to go if you can afford it. I would love to go back and do this for a refresher for a week if I were going back.

MY LEVEL UP
They place you in a class according to past experience, a substantial written test, and a one-on-two interview with two teachers. I was rusty. But I had lots of fun during the interview (which tells you what the school's like), even though I'm all technique (rather than correct grammar). I felt way out of my depth in my class at first, but partially that was because of rust and not knowing how things worked. I spent the first two or three days frantically memorizing new classroom vocabulary ([kana]jidoushi/tadoushi nado[/kana]. Once I got up to speed I realized some of the other people were around my level, and I knew things they hadn't learned yet, so it evened out. I filled in a lot of gaps-- importing for self-studiers-- and feel way more comfortable feeling my way around in the language, and inferring meanings, which I don't think I ever could have come to on my own.

CRITICISMS
1. You'll hear a lot of English around the dorms.
2. The dorm cleaning check. Very paternalistic, very Japanese, very annoying.
3. You'll hear a lot of foreigner Japanese, too, which is good and bad. It's funny-- I had no trouble understanding American/German/Chinese Japanese, but some of my classmates who came from really different linguistic backgrounds and didn't have really good Japanese, I wondered what on earth they were talking about. The accents make it tougher, too-- Italian Japanese sounded like Italian to me, and I'm sure my Japanese wears a cowboy hat.

HIGHEST PRAISE OF ALL
Because it's a non-profit, fees are low, including the vending machines on campus! 100 yen, hotto coffee!
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#9
billyclyde Wrote:Part of it was that they drown you in xeroxes,
Yeah, that happens a lot. There seems to be a particular fondness for folded A3 copies as well. It bewilders me.
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#10
Sort of off topic, but the University of Guanajuato, Mexico had a really good program in Japanese when I was there. I wasn't a student at the time and was busy, but I hung out with the Japanese teacher a bit and sat in on a few classes a couple of times, even went with them to Mexico city for the JLPT . I passed 3kyuu actually, because the teacher made me do it Smile. The level of the students was really impressive. So if anyone is there studying Spanish, you might want to check out the Japanese program. Beautiful city, great weather, good food, great music!!!
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#11
And Mexico is a lot cheaper than Japan... intriguing...

I've heard of a couple immersion programs at universities in the US: I think Indiana U. has one, maybe Columbia in NY. I hate to pay for the university tuition, though.

Another school I've heard of is the Inter-University Center for Japanese in Yokohama(?), which was put together by a bunch of US schools. Has a great reputation, but I got some bad sticker shock when I checked it out online.

Papers... I actually left Yamasa with a stack of papers about four inches thick. A guy in a higher class gave me his, but it was still only 6 mos. worth, yikes.
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#12
I just got back a few weeks ago from Japan. I spent 2 weeks at Yamasa, and while it was fun, and the teachers were great, I'd recommend staying there for a 4 or 6-week program at the minimum, just so you get the most out of it. For the purposes of my trip, it served me just fine. I just wanted a place to work off the jet lag and to brush up on enough Japanese to get me through the next 3 weeks of my trip. (I hit 10 cities total. Woot.) I can't really say I had any breakthrough moments of education, but I did get a little more comfortable speaking. (Which I promptly lost when I got back the U.S.)

Since I was staying 2 weeks, I had to stay in the dorms. And, well, a dorm is a dorm, and a shared kitchen is never as nice as it looks in the brochure. Let's just say I wound up eating at the conbini 10 feet away a lot. If I go again, I'll try to hold out for an apartment. But still, 2 weeks' lodging for ~$350 isn't bad. The tuition was ~$550. Kind of pricey, but not too bad in comparison to other things I've done. And the staff was great. Very helpful.

I'd say go for one of the short-term programs that isn't just a series of private lessons. That way, you'll have some class time with people you can socialize with. Since most of my classes were private lessons, I didn't have a lot of chances to socialize, except at the campus bar. (Which has a good food selection.)

As for Okazaki, it's a bit on the dull side, but there are places to go. There's a big bike shop on the main drag that rents shiny bicycles... or so I hear. I wound up renting from a tiny little shop on the other side of the JR station there. 2000 yen for 2 weeks' rent. It wasn't a spectacular bike (okay, it was barely a bike), but it got me around town. Ask at the student office. With a bicycle, Okazaki becomes slightly more interesting, but that's not saying much. Big Grin

Nagoya is 26 minutes by limited express (I got bored and timed it one time). I went there a few times while I was in Okazaki. I managed to hit the big feudal lord festival there while I was there, so I probably have a false impression of how interesting it is, but the food at the station there is nice. Lots of shops and restaurants near the station to choose from.

You're only 45 minutes from Kyoto by shinkansen from Nagoya, so that's always a possibility, too. I spent a weekend in Kyoto to get away from my futon for a few days. (It was killing my back.)
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#13
rich_f, ten cities is a lot of ground. Way to travel!

You were in Student Village, I guess? Did you have a roommate? I agree that the kitchen is kind of eh and the conbini's too convenient, but I didn't have too much trouble with it. I think apartment dwellers have to buy their own pans, dishes etc so for short-term the village may end up cheaper if you cook. And the kitchen was never crowded because all the Westerners ate out every night... Wink

Not Okazaki, but Toyohashi (2 stops) and Mikawa Anjo (1 stop) have shinkansen access. If you had a JR pass, Okazaki's not a bad base for seeing the rest of Japan. It is kind of strip-mall bland, though-- I would never want to settle down there.

And the bar has an outstanding Irish whiskey collection.

Would you go back to Yamasa?
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