Can somebody comment on how 日本語文型辞典 and Do[BIA]JG compare?

日本語文型辞典 is Japanese only.
Do[BIA]JG is in English.

chamcham Wrote:日本語文型辞典 is Japanese only.
Do[BIA]JG is in English.

... I meant in terms of content.

My professor made the point that you could summarise DOBJG in a small notebook, though I'm not sure how true that is.... I think there is some truth in it.

I really want Nihongo bunkei jiten. I reccomend getting your hands on as much material as possible.

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i've removed it - i wonder if he knows theres a Sulphur in Louisiana... What's your view on the OP's question?

It looks like the the one book is similar to どんな時どう使う日本語表現文型, cept its in all Japanese.

The DoBIAJG books are nice because they give plenty of examples and explain practically every angle for each grammar point. They hit on potential wrong uses and explain why its wrong. If your Japanese isn't spectacular already, there'd be no point in the other dictionary. A full Japanese grammar dictionary is not going to unlock some magic secret to the language that the others don't do because of English.

Content wise, I would imagine there are very very few dictionaries out there that beat DoBIAJG in thoroughness. About the only thing I can imagine is some dictionary in Japanese that covers archaic grammar uses which no learner on the path to fluency really needs to know.

The 日本語文型辞典 is a very good book; it's at least as good as the D*JG, if not better. It was highly recommended by the (native Japanese) linguistics teacher at my college and used frequently by the students as well. Every time I used it I was impressed.

I'm going to assume it covers the Basic and Intermediate well enough, but how much of the advanced do you think it gets into?

Is it a learner dictionary or is it a reference for native speakers? Does it address some of the non-typical mistakes which a Japanese learner might make but a native person isn't likely to do due to simple pragmatics?

I'm not sure, I've never read DAJG. It's not intended for basic learners so it's targeting a different audience than at least DB and DIJ. I don't know if it's specifically for native speakers, but it doesn't address potential mistakes of learners, it just describes the grammar. It does tell you what you can and can't do with the structures (even when native speakers may already know that).

yudantaiteki Wrote:The 日本語文型辞典 is a very good book; it's at least as good as the D*JG, if not better. It was highly recommended by the (native Japanese) linguistics teacher at my college and used frequently by the students as well. Every time I used it I was impressed.

That's good enough endorsement for me - I'm buying it. I'd recommend the op do the same.

Thanks yudantaiteki, your comment was very helpful.

日本語文型辞典 is specifially designed for foreign students of Japanese and teachers of that group. The book has grammar terminology that is used only with that group.

The book is written to give sentence example to help the student understand how to word-attachments （付属語・付属詞） and other hard to understand items in sentences. After the sentences is a explanation.

With the inclusion of furigana for the sentences, and exclusion for the explanation this book isn't written for beginners.

As with the title it is a book for Japanese sentences patterns. Anyone with some knowledge of Kanji and full understands Kana the book is useful.

I haven't heard of the other book.

Omoishinji Wrote:I haven't heard of the other book.

The other book(s) is "A Dictionary of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar" by Seiichi Makino.

And I appreciate Omoishinji's comment as well. In fact it made me realize that the focus in 日本語文型辞典 and in Do*JG may be somewhat different. Then, after some googling, I found 日本語文法大辞典 (tad expensive though...).

IME 日本語文型辞典 has more entries, so it's more likely to cover the point you're trying to look up, but if Do*JG does cover something it typically has more detail and more explicit comparisons with other similar grammar (for instance DoAJG takes six pages to talk about 及び where 日本語文型辞典 gives it less than half a page).

I'd disagree with vix86 that "If your Japanese isn't spectacular already, there'd be no point in [this rather than Do*JG]" -- certainly you need some base level of Japanese (say at least making steady progress towards JLPT2) to make reasonable sense of the explanations and examples, but I've found it very useful in that intermediate and post intermediate level.