If you are a fan of Khatz blog (of which I am), you may have heard of his new Silverspoon offering. I have signed up and am going to give updates on how I feel it is going and if it is worth it.

http://thespoonthatfeeds.com

I'm on day 9 at the moment and i'm planning on writing up in weekly blocks but I haven't decided yet. Depending on the pace and rate of change of content it will proably vary.

Blogging helps me focus on something and not get disinterested. Anyway check it out if this topic interests you.

Thanks very much.

I'm curious about this whole Silverspoon thing; looking forward to your insight.

Thanks I'll update tomorrow now I know there is a bit of interest. It'll be day ten so it'll a good day to reflect. (Because even numbers are great reflective numbers). ^^? Of course I wont be revealing the specifics of the content but just my thoughts on it.

thecite Wrote:I'm curious about this whole Silverspoon thing; looking forward to your insight.

First I've heard of it... What's it all about?

Interesting, hope you keep updating.

wccrawford Wrote:

thecite Wrote:I'm curious about this whole Silverspoon thing; looking forward to your insight.

First I've heard of it... What's it all about?

Refer to these:
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...-you-there
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=7756&page=1

I've put up my first post.

よろしくお願いします

Well...if you have enough desire you wouldn't need the whole silverspoon thing

I made a commitment to do everything in Japanese. That means if I'm looking up something on the internet. I will have to do it in Japanese. It's amazing how after a few days. You don't ever want to go back to english.

Just update on every prime number up to 595.

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That would serve you well.

Realism Wrote:Well...if you have enough desire you wouldn't need the whole silverspoon thing

I made a commitment to do everything in Japanese. That means if I'm looking up something on the internet. I will have to do it in Japanese. It's amazing how after a few days. You don't ever want to go back to english.

It's impossible to do this in a working environment. I work most of the day then come home and look after my daughter. All I need is shohrt sharp sprints in Japanese that I can complete when I have time. I try to keep the Japanese playing in my Ipod all the time while im working. I give all my attention to my daughter so I come out of the immersion environment only then.

Silverspoon gives me the tasks and content because my time is precious.

I'm taking this Silverspoon thing with a salt of grant. It is just an alternative for people who do not manage to effectively plan their day and obviously need a step-by-step guide or orientation towards how Japanese can be learned/"mastered". Languages aren't learned like that, I think at least. If you want to master something as big and beautiful as Japanese and you don't see the possibility or your own ability in organising, scheduling and planning your learning activities, EVEN after a long day full with stress and work then either don't learn it or just get ahead -- and learn.

Tori-kun Wrote:I'm taking this Silverspoon thing with a salt of grant. It is just an alternative for people who do not manage to effectively plan their day and obviously need a step-by-step guide or orientation towards how Japanese can be learned/"mastered". Languages aren't learned like that, I think at least. If you want to master something as big and beautiful as Japanese and you don't see the possibility or your own ability in organising, scheduling and planning your learning activities, EVEN after a long day full with stress and work then either don't learn it or just get ahead -- and learn.

What I've learned is: you can master any language you want to a really high level(native-level?). But it will take time and if one is truly serious, it will take them 5 years(I'm just putting a random number out there but this seems realistic for upper-level fluency). It comes down to putting in the time and willing to experiment with your learning. So being be open to different learning styles will get you far. I have a strong feeling that, once I do get really far into learning Jp. I probably won't ever call myself native-level fluent. It's just one of those terms that can get nasty. So fluency is better to say.

tarkonis Wrote:Silverspoon gives me the tasks and content because my time is precious.

I think it's precisely because your time is precious that you shouldn't hand it over to Khatz, a person whose methods basically rely on complete overkill instead of efficiency.

Keep in mind that Khatz is just another guy on the internet who marketed his ideas well. Seems like a lot of people read his website, get hyped up and then start parroting his advice here or on blogs. So his ideas are given more weight than they really deserve simply by way of over discussion. Language learning is a long-term process that you really need to experience yourself before you can possibly understand what really works best despite how convincing Khatz's ideas may seem.

I think a lot of folks around here would do well to mix up their reading a bit when it comes to methodologies, rather than just blindly following general consensus here or Khatz's blog. Try occasionally reading stuff on places like the how-to-learn-any-language forums or listen to advice from talented youtubers etc. There's plenty of people achieving better results with much less work.

Quote:I think it's precisely because your time is precious that you shouldn't hand it over to Khatz

I can't wait to see that in blue

Quote:Language learning is a long-term process that you really need to experience yourself before you can possibly understand what really works best despite how convincing Khatz's ideas may seem.

Replace 'Language' with 'Kanji' and you'll have the same criticism people give of RTK.

But hey, whatever works and you find enjoyable. I say go for it!!

lol same old same old...

i don't think he's trying to say that what he's giving people is the ONLY way EVER you could POSSIBLY learn japanese... he's just organising and distributing materials & resources to learn it to people who don't have time to do it for themselves.

yknow, not everyone has the spare time to spend looking at forums like these to check the newest developments in technology & learning materials & cool links and stuff, it really is quite time consuming and fast paced. If someone else can organise all that for you, it's a lot more time you can spend learning, so...

Tori-kun Wrote:I'm taking this Silverspoon thing with a salt of grant. It is just an alternative for people who do not manage to effectively plan their day and obviously need a step-by-step guide or orientation towards how Japanese can be learned/"mastered". Languages aren't learned like that, I think at least. If you want to master something as big and beautiful as Japanese and you don't see the possibility or your own ability in organising, scheduling and planning your learning activities, EVEN after a long day full with stress and work then either don't learn it or just get ahead -- and learn.

tarkonis pointed out that they want to maximise time spent with their daughter and so saying "No, you shouldn't try and get help with how to learn a language, spend less time with your daughter and organise your own learning" sounds either incredibly naive or just rather cold.

Is this about AJATT or about distance/virtual language tutoring?

When I think about AJATT nowadays compared to when I first started. I notice one huge difference: in order to succeed, no matter what the method. You just need to put in the time .

Tori-kun Wrote:you don't see the possibility or your own ability in organising, scheduling and planning your learning activities, EVEN after a long day full with stress and work then either don't learn it or just get ahead -- and learn.

A key element of the Four Hour Work Week is paying people to do trivial things so that you have more time to focus on what is important. Doing everything yourself is never the most efficient path to anything.

tokyostyle Wrote:A key element of the Four Hour Work Week is paying people to do trivial things so that you have more time to focus on what is important. Doing everything yourself is never the most efficient path to anything.

Gimmicky non sequitur followed by a meaningless platitude. Nice!

nest0r Wrote:

tokyostyle Wrote:A key element of the Four Hour Work Week is paying people to do trivial things so that you have more time to focus on what is important. Doing everything yourself is never the most efficient path to anything.

Gimmicky non sequitur followed by a meaningless platitude. Nice!

Actually, that's quite insulting and wrong, both. His comment was directly in line with the discussion.

It was an accurate description of a disconnected reference that presumes a web guru's condescending sales gimmick as an ideal and spouts some overgeneralized, highly contingent statement. Some might find underscoring such things accurately as an insult. Others might find it therapeutic. ^_^

Don't worry though, tokyostyle only comes here to be entertained by the dumb statements.

I was put off Timothy Ferriss when I read his crappy advice for learning languages.

nest0r Wrote:It was an accurate description of a disconnected reference that presumes a web guru's condescending sales gimmick as an ideal and spouts some overgeneralized, highly contingent statement. Some might find underscoring such things accurately as an insult. Others might find it therapeutic. ^_^

Don't worry though, tokyostyle only comes here to be entertained by the dumb statements.

To me, it just seems like you're being a jackass. Whatever, I probably missed a thread that would explain the context of your post.

LucidFaia Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:^_^ Don't worry though, tokyostyle only comes here to be entertained by the dumb statements.

To me, it just seems like you're being a jackass. Whatever, I probably missed a thread that would explain the context of your post.

I agree with you.