That's pretty cool. When you say 'sorted by kanji', what order are the kanji in? By grade level, or frequency or... ?
Thanks for this. I've spent a few minutes setting up a deck and pruning the fields I don't need for this specific deck. And so for it looks like pure win. I'm loving the highlights and sentence lookup. Epic win, nice.
This looks wonderful, I just need to figure out how to use it. Whats the difference between
'ko2001-index' and 'ko2001-kanji' sorting? Both of the numbers are far above the index number included in the books. I'm having trouble figuring it out.
I'm curious about those as well (fields 20-27).
I guess frequency index would probably be the most useful for most people?
Cangy, thanks for the list. What I'll do once I return to the US this week is update the Google spreadsheet with this info. A big reason for this is the spreadsheet that's there now has a few of my "modifications" where I changed words to kanji that probably should have been left alone. It's ok for me, but that's something each person should decide on their own.
What I do is group them into Core 2k (Step 1 and 2), Core 2k (Step 3-10), and Core 6k. After that, I sort them based on the order Cangy has.
This way you get beginner, beginner/intermediate, then intermediate sub-groups sorted by kanji. It also breaks up the large number of kana only sentences at the beginning.
PS: To sort Cangy's list, just sort the spreadsheet by List number. These follow the Core sequence fairly well. After that, just add a column saying what group the list number refers to (Core 2k Step 01, Core 6k step 12, etc.).
When importing into Anki, does anyone have a good template?
I was considering something like what ReadTheKanji has...
Vocab Word (with Furigana)
Sample Sentence (with Furigana)
Sample Sentence Translation
Possibly having the definition and translation hidden somehow.
Also maybe another card that has the audio on the front and the same back.
What I've found is that if I learn the meaning and pronunciation at the same time, and only worry about pronunciation, I'm not having any trouble with meaning.
the web page has a bit more detail than what I posted above, but it's still on the terse side and there's been a few questions, so I'll elaborate a bit more here
the index field is the original smart.fm order, 1-2000 for core 2000 and 2001-6000 for core 6000. the steps in core 2000 are 200 items each, so step 1 is 1-200, step 2 is 201-400 etc. the first 8 steps of core 600 have 250 items each, and the last 4 have 500 each. also the list field corresponds to a step, and the list-index field is the position within that list/step
it's then been sorted by kanji on the sentence-expression field -- sorting by kanji means that sentences containing higher kanji come after sentences containing only lower kanji, as you might expect (though the first sentence to contain a lower kanji will come later if it only appears with higher kanji)
the rtkliteko2001-index, rtk-index, ko2001-index and freq-index fields give the sort order, 1-6000, after sorting by kanji in rtkliteko2001+rtk+frequency, rtk+frequency, ko2001+frequency, and frequency orders
frequency order is the frequency of all 1650 kanji that occur in the sentences, from most frequent (彼 of course!) to least frequent
rtk is rtk1+3 order (2042+965 kanji), ko2001 is ko2001 order (2000 kanji), rtkliteko2001 is the first 1000 ko2001 kanji in rtk order with required primitives (1212 kanji)
rtkliteko2001+rtk+frequency means the rtkliteko2001 kanji, then the rtk kanji not already in rtkliteko2001, then the frequency kanji not already in rtkliteko2001 or rtk, in order
the current order is rtkliteko2001+rtk+frequency, and you can change the order just by doing a numeric sort on the appropriate index field
if you've finished rtk then you can choose any order. if you want to do the vocab/sentences while doing rtk or ko2001 or rtkliteko2001, then you can sort as appropriate
if you want the kanji introduced very gradually initially (but at a higher rate toward the end) you could try frequency order. if you want them introduced more evenly, then ko2001 order seems to be closer to maintaining a constant rate over the deck. I've added a graph to the web page which shows the effect of sorting on new kanji introduction
the rtk-kanji, ko2001-kanji, freq-kanji and rtkliteko2001-kanji fields each contain 2 parts, a kanji index number and a (possibly empty) list of kanji
the number is the index in the sort order of the highest kanji that occurs in that sentence. so if you have sorted by rtk-index then the rtk-kanji number is the frame number you need to be up to to do that sentence (but after 3007 it's 3007 plus the index in the frequency list...)
the list of kanji are the new kanji introduced in that sentence compared with the previous sentence. it'll be empty if the sentence doesn't introduce any new kanji, and it'll contain multiple kanji if one of the lower kanji only occurs with that higher kanji (so couldn't appear earlier)
so if you are learning ko2001 while going through the ko2001 sorted deck, then if you are up to the kanji corresponding to the number then you must have covered all the kanji in the sentences up to that point. but you've probably covered more (as some will occur only with higher kanji and so haven't appeared yet) so you could instead just learn them as they come up in the new kanji list
also, I've added a sample question and answer template to the web page for recognition cards using the xxfurigana plugin
Edited: 2010-03-02, 8:00 am
You are a legend! Thanks!
This looks awesome, but could anyone elaborate on how to sort it? I have a feeling I'm overlooking something obvious, because I really don't get it.
Yeah, I don't really care for RTK sorting since I'm pretty much done with it, and the RTK kanji progression wasn't really made on a frequency-of-use basis.
But well, that clears things up. ありがとうございます！
First, thank you cangy for this amazing resource. The resources this community shares is beyond compare. Anyway, is there any way to easily transfer progress between anki decks? I'd like to switch over to cangy's new core2k+6k sorting, but I'd rather not change the intervals on each card one-by-one. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Currently rerunning your kore script because i want the "unmunged" local filenames. When it's done, I'll post the file.
One first remark: if you're writing a shell script with bash syntax, use /bin/bash after the shebang!
This is great! Just wanted to post here and say thanks.
One suggestion: change the sort numbers from 1 2 3 4... to 0001 0002 0003 0004... If you do this you can sort better after you import into anki, in case you want to look at a one of the other sorting methods. I did this and re-imported because anki would sort them in this order: 1 10 100 1000 1001 1002 etc.
This looks really awesome! I already imported the deck into Anki, but I have one problem left: The sound filenames from sentence-sound-local don't match with the files from the media packages.
Any idea what went wrong or how to fix that?