I've just finished reading my first genuine native Japanese material: 名探偵コナン vol.1.
I was only reading textbooks/Japanese Graded Readers/Core sentences before. It wasn't as hard as I thought. Thanks to the pictures it was easy to figure out what's being said without checking tons of words in dictionary. Sure there were some sentences that I didn't understand, but it was still enjoyable and I borrowed next volumes.

My name is NoSleepTilFluent and it has been 2 months since I missed a review. I don't even need to think about doing reviews anymore it's just something I do. Feels good man.

NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:My name is NoSleepTilFluent and it has been 2 months since I missed a review. I don't even need to think about doing reviews anymore it's just something I do. Feels good man.

So that means you did miss reviews at some point. That's not good.

Sadly not all of us are robots...

Betelgeuzah Wrote:Sadly not all of us are robots...

The key is to make it a habit mate, like brushing your teeth or eating breakfast. Since I started out last summer, I've only missed one day. :p

damn egoplant way to shit on my good feels. Whatever I'm still happy. =D

Two milestones, 90 days, and 4000 vocab. I hope to finish the core 6k in just over another month. Been reading manga for grammar practice, but my listening still isn't that great.

NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:damn egoplant way to shit on my good feels. Whatever I'm still happy. =D

Sorry I didn't mean anything by it, just that missing reps is bad.

Stian Wrote:like brushing your teeth or eating breakfast.

Two things I also regularly procrastinate...

egoplant Wrote:

NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:My name is NoSleepTilFluent and it has been 2 months since I missed a review. I don't even need to think about doing reviews anymore it's just something I do. Feels good man.

So that means you did miss reviews at some point. That's not good.

Jesus Christ I thought this was a joke (a good one too). Missing reps is not good or bad. It's not a moral dilemma... its just work that will need to be made up tomorrow if you don't do it today. Sometimes life is more important...

I would happily miss reviews for a couple days if I had a date that went really well and she came to stay over at my apt for the full day after. That is two days reviews that can be made up elsewhere I'm sure.

dtcamero Wrote:I would happily miss reviews for a couple days if I had a date that went really well and she came to stay over at my apt for the full day after. That is two days reviews that can be made up elsewhere I'm sure.

Such a specific example

dtcamero Wrote:

egoplant Wrote:

NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:My name is NoSleepTilFluent and it has been 2 months since I missed a review. I don't even need to think about doing reviews anymore it's just something I do. Feels good man.

So that means you did miss reviews at some point. That's not good.

Jesus Christ I thought this was a joke (a good one too). Missing reps is not good or bad. It's not a moral dilemma... its just work that will need to be made up tomorrow if you don't do it today. Sometimes life is more important...

I would happily miss reviews for a couple days if I had a date that went really well and she came to stay over at my apt for the full day after. That is two days reviews that can be made up elsewhere I'm sure.

It is a bad thing in my opinion, and comments like that are why people don't ever become fluent and eventually give up. Is it okay for a heroin addict to take a few day 'break' from his recovery?

egoplant Wrote:It is a bad thing in my opinion, and comments like that are why people don't ever become fluent and eventually give up. Is it okay for a heroin addict to take a few day 'break' from his recovery?

Please keep going, this is gold.

Betelgeuzah Wrote:

egoplant Wrote:It is a bad thing in my opinion, and comments like that are why people don't ever become fluent and eventually give up. Is it okay for a heroin addict to take a few day 'break' from his recovery?

Please keep going, this is gold.

Please don't make fun of me just because I have discipline and you are inefficient.

egoplant Wrote:Please don't make fun of me just because I have discipline and you are inefficient.

To make it clear, you are being made fun of because you exaggerate and overreact.

[s0apgun]

My robot power is over 9000. Get on my level!

I added my 3000th Anki sentence a few days ago. Reaching a new 1000 every other month doesn't sound that bad imo, considering that I only spend 20 minutes reviewing (and about 10 learning+adding [50% subs2srs; 50% J-J-branching]) each day, which to me is gain without pain*.

*Lots of pain will be applied during the summer break, though

Stian Wrote:*Lots of pain will be applied during the summer break, though

That made me smile. I also have delightful plans of adding several thousands of sentences this summer. Would love to reach 20k by the end of it and to start understanding classical Japanese. 類は友を呼ぶね。

Maybe I'm feeding a troll but here goes a good faith honest reply...

Missing reps is not inefficient if you are doing something more important instead. If you are so scared of burnout due to missing reps then either

a) you're adding too much (i.e. daily due count north of 400)

Or b) your motivation is questionable, so that if you have too many built up you don't know if you'll be able to make the work up later... Leading to permanent anki tardiness and eventual srs collapse.

In the latter case I would say that your motivation (specifically yours and not a general subjective 'your') is what needs to be looked at, instead of turning srs into a holy war. Maybe you just don't want it badly enough if srs failure is becoming a paranoia.

dtcamero Wrote:Maybe I'm feeding a troll but here goes a good faith honest reply...

Missing reps is not inefficient if you are doing something more important instead. If you are so scared of burnout due to missing reps then either

a) you're adding too much (i.e. daily due count north of 400)

Or b) your motivation is questionable, so that if you have too many built up you don't know if you'll be able to make the work up later... Leading to permanent anki tardiness and eventual srs collapse.

In the latter case I would say that your motivation (specifically yours and not a general subjective 'your') is what needs to be looked at, instead of turning srs into a holy war. Maybe you just don't want it badly enough if srs failure is becoming a paranoia.

Are you talking to me? I never said I was losing motivation or scared of reps piling up. I think the people who skip reps are the ones with motivation problems. People who skip them obviously don't make Japanese a priority, and they are the ones who are most likely to end up giving up and not reaching fluency. That's all I meant. It seems like there are a lot of people on this forum that like saying they are learning Japanese, but don't actually learn it. Those type of people skip their reps all the time and take Japanese university classes to make themselves feel like they are actually doing something. They are the same kind of people that buy diet books to lose weight (protip: those people are the ones that never lose weight, or just give up regain it later). Stop trying to justify your failures.

egoplant Wrote:People who skip them obviously don't make Japanese a priority, and they are the ones who are most likely to end up giving up and not reaching fluency.

Since when does learning Japanese have to be a priority? Not all of us are college students.

egoplant Wrote:Are you talking to me? I never said I was losing motivation or scared of reps piling up. I think the people who skip reps are the ones with motivation problems. People who skip them obviously don't make Japanese a priority, and they are the ones who are most likely to end up giving up and not reaching fluency. That's all I meant. It seems like there are a lot of people on this forum that like saying they are learning Japanese, but don't actually learn it. Those type of people skip their reps all the time and take Japanese university classes to make themselves feel like they are actually doing something. They are the same kind of people that buy diet books to lose weight (protip: those people are the ones that never lose weight, or just give up regain it later). Stop trying to justify your failures.

Omg you are so scary. It's people like this that can only see the world in two tones that are ruinings my country right now. Please don't ever run for congress sir.
I think a much healthier view, if one has the motivation to it, is simply that if you miss work you need to make it up later... Like a normal job.

And as far as justifying my failures, since this is a milestone thread, I finished core 10k (after about 5k other cards) in just under 3 years today. Oh and I picked up my second J-gf recently. protip: if you're really interested in making progress and not just obsessing about your computer, dating a native speaker is about 10 times more efficient than anki.

Sometimes you can sense when someone should be left alone with his brilliant ideas. Don't get dragged down with him if you want to avoid unnecessary headache.

RoyalBlue Wrote:Since when does learning Japanese have to be a priority? Not all of us are college students.

Since you decided that you wanted to learn Japanese? And I'm not a college student.

dtcamero Wrote:Omg you are so scary. It's people like this that can only see the world in two tones that are ruinings my country right now. Please don't ever run for congress sir.
I think a much healthier view, if one has the motivation to it, is simply that if you miss work you need to make it up later... Like a normal job.

And as far as justifying my failures, since this is a milestone thread, I finished core 10k (after about 5k other cards) in just under 3 years today. Oh and I picked up my second J-gf recently. protip: if you're really interested in making progress and not just obsessing about your computer, dating a native speaker is about 10 times more efficient than anki.

I guess I just don't want to do the absolute minimum and reach the minimum base level of fluency in 3 years like you. If I did 10,000 words in only a single year, I would consider that to be a failure, but I guess everyone moves at their own pace.

Also I don't care about your personal life. This is a place for learning, not talking about all the Japanese girls you bucked every other post.

[s0apgun]

Dear sir, how many languages do you know so far? At such a fantastic add rate you must be well into the realm of "polygot" with no failures. With your amazing diligence in learning languages I can only imagine how successful you are in your professional career! Theoretical physist? Brain surgeon? Or maybe you're just a professional student working towards your 3rd P.H.D?

egoplant Wrote:

RoyalBlue Wrote:Since when does learning Japanese have to be a priority? Not all of us are college students.

Since you decided that you wanted to learn Japanese?

The majority of learners make Japanese one of the priorities, not the priority.

egoplant Wrote:I guess I just don't want to do the absolute minimum and reach the minimum base level of fluency in 3 years like you. If I did 10,000 words in only a single year, I would consider that to be a failure, but I guess everyone moves at their own pace.

This part makes you look like a total ass btw.

As Betelgeuzah already said this discussion is not leading anywhere, so I'll leave it at that. To each his own.