I love how Heisig gives you the stroke order for every Kanji you learn.. But I've found myself occasionally forgetting that order for some primitive elements, which Heisig never repeats.

Does anyone know a good program or internet site that features a animated stroke order clips?

I know I can check back into the book but it's often difficult to remember exactly where the primitive in question came from.



I'm no programmer, but I imagine the program itself would be easy to create other than having to deal with thousands of Kanji. .. I could be wrong
Wouldn't a flash based animated stroke display be the perfect addition to this site?

For Heisig's made up primitives, you're not going to find anything. For primitives that are kanji, Jim Breen now offer's diagrams. There's also yamasa online dictionary.
Oh, and my personal favorite: http://www.google.com

It's not as easy as you'd think since every animation has to be created by hand. The database files that contain stroke orders just contain information on the directions.

ex: 木 horizontal, vertical, diagonal left, diagonal right

There is no way to automate turning that into an animated stroke order diagram. There are various sites on the internet that have animated gifs, videos, whatever of many kanji, but Fabrice would need to get permission for their use.

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The diagrams on Breen's WWWJDIC are licensed from Halpern's kanji dict. and may not be reused freely like the rest of EDICT. However, it looks like Fabrice could easily get permission.

Quote:The images used on this page are from the New Japanese-English Character Dictionary and the Kodansha Kanji Learners Dictionary (see http://www.kanji.org/), and are used with the kind permission of Mr Jack Halpern. This image must not be copied or used elsewhere without Mr Halpern's permission, which will be granted if the request is reasonable. Use of this image without permission is a violation of copyright laws.

Jarvik7 Wrote:The diagrams on Breen's WWWJDIC are licensed from Halpern's kanji dict. and may not be reused freely like the rest of EDICT.

These days WWWJDIC also uses the SODER stroke order animations. They only cover the first 1500 or so kanji at the moment, but they do indicate stroke direction (unlike the Halpern ones) and the licence is much less restrictive.

I wouldn't worry about not having stroke order diagrams for primitives -- after all, you never need to write a primitive on its own. If you want to write a primitive it's because you're writing a specific character, so you can just go and look up the stroke order for that character in WWWJDIC. (As an added bonus this means you don't get fooled by the occasional erroneous stroke order indication in RTK...)

I use this page every time I study. http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-b...dic.cgi?1B

I select English meaning, choose the kanji and click on SODA.

Hope this helps.

ruuku35 Wrote:I use this page every time I study. http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-b...dic.cgi?1B

I select English meaning, choose the kanji and click on SODA.

Hope this helps.

This works, and thanks for all your input. ^0^

http://www.yamasa.cc/members/ocjs/kanjid...3?OpenForm <-- I just use this.

I use this site a lot for stroke order reference:

http://www.kanjicafe.com/

I also use this site to practice readings. I don't plan on using RTK2 for learning readings, but instead am taking a more traditional approach. This site has been very helpful.

cerulean Wrote:I love how Heisig gives you the stroke order for every Kanji you learn.. But I've found myself occasionally forgetting that order for some primitive elements, which Heisig never repeats.

Does anyone know a good program or internet site that features a animated stroke order clips?

I know I can check back into the book but it's often difficult to remember exactly where the primitive in question came from.



I'm no programmer, but I imagine the program itself would be easy to create other than having to deal with thousands of Kanji. .. I could be wrong
Wouldn't a flash based animated stroke display be the perfect addition to this site?

Just use the index in back of the book.

For primitives, it lists the page number where they first appear.
For kanji, it lists the frame number.

There is a font that displays the kanji stroke order. You should be able to find it if you search this forum. There is also a greasemonkey script which you can use in firefox, to change the font used for the reviews on this site. I just set up the site to use the stroke order font. Then I can always see the correct stroke order every time I review a card!
Another good point about this, is that the stroke order font is also a handwritten font, so it shows you the way you ought to really be writing the characters. Some elements of the kanji have a quite different handwritten form than printed form.

chamcham Wrote:Just use the index in back of the book.

For primitives, it lists the page number where they first appear.
For kanji, it lists the frame number.

Looking up something manually in the back of a book and then going to the entry isn't really a fast reference as the op requested. Additionally it doesn't show the stroke order from the beginning, only the unique aspects of the kanji (if any), which is also an issue the op mentioned. All of the editions of the book also have numerous errors in regards to stroke order. Finally, although this is not something the op specifically requested, RTK doesn't display stroke direction.

excellent sites guys! These should be very helpful.

Thanks again!

Jarvik7 Wrote:

chamcham Wrote:Just use the index in back of the book.

For primitives, it lists the page number where they first appear.
For kanji, it lists the frame number.

Looking up something manually in the back of a book and then going to the entry isn't really a fast reference as the op requested. Additionally it doesn't show the stroke order from the beginning, only the unique aspects of the kanji (if any), which is also an issue the op mentioned. All of the editions of the book also have numerous errors in regards to stroke order. Finally, although this is not something the op specifically requested, RTK doesn't display stroke direction.

Yes, but remember what he said:

Quote:I know I can check back into the book but it's often difficult to remember exactly where the primitive in question came from.

Which seems to suggest that the lack of speed is from not being able to remember where the primitive came from

I use this http://lrc.cornell.edu/japanese/reading/joyokanji.html

Press control+f and paste the kanji you're looking for.

cerulean Wrote:forgetting that order for some primitive elements,

fix:?

rote learn them.
there are only roughly 300ish all up anyway

The Yamasa Online Kanji Dictionary has been working well for me. (Though it unexpectedly doesn't contain 亀/かめ)

The proper stroke order usually has a good feel or flow to it, so remembering the stroke order isn't much of a problem once referencing it. My problem was that I've come as far as I have without much concern for stroke order.. And I'm making that up now, checking when I need to.



Liosama, this is unrelated, but I think you have at least a few stories out there that are copied from other users, but also set to public. I'm sure it was a mistake, but just letting you know.

http://www.eon.com.hk/estroke/

You can get a 30 day trial. It's the best stroke order software I've seen yet.

CaLeDee Wrote:http://www.eon.com.hk/estroke/

You can get a 30 day trial. It's the best stroke order software I've seen yet.

That's for Chinese. Japanese has some characters that Chinese lacks and stroke order differs between Japanese & Chinese for some characters.

There is plenty of good software on DS for learning stroke orders & directions

http://www.nihilist.org.uk

Install this sweet font. I use it with anki.

Just learn the basic theory behind stroke order. So what if you write one or two kanji the wrong way, it really doesn't matter.

Doing RTK with the stroke order font is not an extra effort. It just makes it more interesting.

cerulean Wrote:Liosama, this is unrelated, but I think you have at least a few stories out there that are copied from other users, but also set to public. I'm sure it was a mistake, but just letting you know.

Yeah im pretty sure i took most of htem off, ive been afk for a while anyway and yes they were by mistake hahah. I'll double check sometime later