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what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - warakawa - 2012-09-18
words like 昨日 which can be read both as きのう and さくじつ has multiple correct readings. There are more than 200 of them in Core6K, should I remember both readings or should I delete one of them?
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - Inny Jan - 2012-09-18
I will trump you with: 明日
which can be read: あす, あした, みょうにち
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - Zgarbas - 2012-09-18
Different formalities. さくじつ is formal, きのう is regular formality. You'll encounter きのう considerably more often but it's good to know about the さくじつ so you won't get confused when you run into it.
Similarly, あす is informal, あした is common, みょうにち is formal. The same applies to words like 明後日、一昨日、一昨年, etc.
I will trump you with 上, which is うえ、うわ、じょう、and かみ!
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - kitakitsune - 2012-09-18
In this thread - warakawa discovers keigo.
So exciting. I can't wait for the next thread.
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - warakawa - 2012-09-18
kitakitsune Wrote:In this thread - warakawa discovers keigo.you just gonna have to be patient like every one else.
So exciting. I can't wait for the next thread.
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - warakawa - 2012-09-18
Zgarbas Wrote:Different formalities. さくじつ is formal, きのう is regular formality. You'll encounter きのう considerably more often but it's good to know about the さくじつ so you won't get confused when you run into it.how to do I know if さくじつ is the formal version of きのう, edict gives the same meaning.
三省堂 defines さくじつ as きょうの前日｡きのう｡
大辞泉 defines it as 今日の前の日｡きのう｡
there is no mention of formality.
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - kitakitsune - 2012-09-18
Let me lay it down real simple
Let's imagine that you come across a sentence that goes like this.
"昨日、blah blah blah blah lalalaalaaaa"
99% of the time you just read that with きのう. However, there might be a rare time where you find yourself in a somewhat formal situation in Japan. Maybe you are in a business meeting, who knows. In that kind of formal situation, you up the formality in your language and read it as さくじつ.
Got it?
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - EratiK - 2012-09-18
warakawa Wrote:That is one problem of edict. it's like どう/いかが, you learn them as you encounter them I guess. You'll learn to spot them with a little practice.Zgarbas Wrote:Different formalities. さくじつ is formal, きのう is regular formality. You'll encounter きのう considerably more often but it's good to know about the さくじつ so you won't get confused when you run into it.how to do I know if さくじつ is the formal version of きのう, edict gives the same meaning.
三省堂 defines さくじつ as きょうの前日｡きのう｡
大辞泉 defines it as 今日の前の日｡きのう｡
there is no mention of formality.
To reply to your OP, I add stuff like "honorific", "humble"... on my cards. If it's another meaning, I'd probably erase the meaning not relevant to the context of the sentence. If you don't have an example sentence, keep both.
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - vix86 - 2012-09-18
warakawa Wrote:三省堂 defines さくじつ as きょうの前日｡きのう｡Looking in the 類語辞典 on my electronic dictionary, they have this to say about さくじつの使い方：
大辞泉 defines it as 今日の前の日｡きのう｡
there is no mention of formality.
二語とも、今日の前の日をいう。「昨日（さくじつ）」の方が、改まった言い方
If I understand this use of 改まる it means "reformed" or "formal."
what to do with vocabulary with two reading? - Inny Jan - 2012-09-18
@Zgarbas
I'm not sure you trumped me. 明日 is a compound that has those three readings and it seems (unless I'm wrong) that your 上 is just a single kanji. For your 上 my 辞書 has: (音) ジョウ（ジャウ） (訓) うえ、うわ、かみ、あ・げる（あ・がる）、のぼ・る（のぼ・せる、のぼ・す） and I'm sure there are single kanji that have more readings than 上.
If you have a compound that reads in four ways though...