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Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - Miyumera - 2012-08-07
some of the frame stories reference to characters like Unicode-0x947d{38013}... what are these characters? if they're not in heisig why are they in RevTK? What's with the unicode? and why are they so far hidden .. as in who the heck is going to find them at kanji number 38012-5?
Are we supposed to know about them?
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - frony0 - 2012-08-07
Unicode is a character encoding system, it's one of the ways computers can turn numbers into text. Each character has a unicode index, but I assume that the site is coded such that if the character isn't in RTK1 or 3, it uses the unicode index to name them. It's not so much that they're hidden as they're generated on-the-fly for whatever character you give it.
Edit: And no, you don't generally need to know about them.
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - shinsen - 2012-08-07
I come across those Unicode kanji every now and then. Some of them can be good to know - e.g. 呟き （つぶやき）
You can edit the keyword if you want. Other people's shared storied usually suggest a good keyword for these kanji.
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - Miyumera - 2012-08-07
why are they on this site? and why are they at kanji #38012?
so there are more characters like these?
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - Isbilenper - 2012-08-07
My guess is that they are on this site so that you can enter the kanji in the search field and find other people's stories for certain characters if and when you need to learn them. The number is probably somewhat related to their unicode numbers. I doubt anybody here has learned all the 38011 kanjis before #38012.
If you by "characters like these" mean kanjis not covered in RtK1 or RtK3, then yes, there are A LOT of them, but most of them only rarely if ever see the light of day.
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - frony0 - 2012-08-07
Miyumera Wrote:why are they on this site? and why are they at kanji #38012?They are there so that people can share stories for them in the same way as RTK characters. And yes, there are a plethora of kanji which never see the light of day, but are part of the unicode specification. I'm pretty sure I already explained why they have random numbers, but I'll explain again.
so there are more characters like these?
Every character (kanji or not) has a unicode index, but only some were included in the RTK series and have an RTK index. For example, unicode 65-90 is the Capital Latin (english) alphabet. Unicode 32 is space, 43 is a plus sign, 48 is a zero. The character 日 has unicode value 26085 AND RTK index 12 (and since it's in RTK, the site uses that index), but RTK index 13 does NOT have unicode value 26086. And of course, since unicode is a standardised set of all possible and some impossible characters, it has thousands upon thousands of characters not in RTK.
I hope that was enough detail for you. If not, google or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode should explain it more thoroughly.
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - Miyumera - 2012-08-07
i see i see
ok.. I just finished RTK3 .. yay!
I think i'll skip learning those characters for now lol but thanks for the explaination.. sounds really confusing. was just curious... fabrice should have added after 3030, I dont know how anyone would have found them at 38013 if it wasn't referenced lol
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - sartak - 2012-08-07
The way you find them is you plug the kanji itself into the search box. So you're reading, you come across a kanji that isn't in Heisig's books, like 箒. So you put that into the search box and now you can use the same kind of RevTK shared-story goodness even on non-Heisig kanji.
Characters not in RTK, Unicode-9..what? - Miyumera - 2012-08-07
oohh cool. didn't know you could type kanji in the search box. Thanks Sartak