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Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-06-23 Soon, you'll be able to download digital versions of the newest japanese novels :-) Rakuten is basically the Amazon of Japan. " Rakuten's $315 million buyout of Kobo will bear some e-reader fruit come July. The e-tailer's CEO and chairman, Hiroshi Mikitani, announced plans to release the Kobo eReader Touch Edition in Japan next month for 10,000 yen (on par with its $130 US sticker price). Timing is key, of course -- murmurs of the Kindle Touch's Japanese debut haven't escaped Mikitani's notice. "As a Japanese company, we cannot lose (to overseas rivals)," he told The Asahi Shimbun. Rakuten hopes to use the e-reader to export Japanese content, and aims to have 50,000 titles available by the end of 2012. Pre-orders kick off on July 2, with more details to come next month." Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - robin - 2012-06-23 Finally! Now, for the rest of us, does this mean Kobo Touch purchased in other countries will get improved Japanese support too? I would really like to have good J-E/E-J dictionaries, drawn kanji/kana input, and ideally, textbooks like Genki and Dictionary of xxx Grammar. Of course, being able to put Anki on there too would seal the deal. I have been waiting to purchase an e-reader until the first American vendor can give me my Japanese support. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - TheVinster - 2012-06-23 I just looked it up and apparently it's $100, not $130. Or is something newer coming out in the US? Going to keep this thread in mind because this would be a great opportunity to ramp up my reading. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-06-23 1 usd is 80 yen today. 10000 yen is 125 usd. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - TheVinster - 2012-06-23 I understand the conversation rate. I guess what I was saying was that assuming we can use the Kobo Touch from other countries as robin asked, we could potentially get it for $100 or less. http://www.kobobooks.com/touch_with_offers The article says "(on par with its $130 US sticker price)" which either means they're releasing a new version of the Kobo Touch for $30 more than the existing ones in the link I posted or the one for $100 is the model they're speaking of. Do you understand where my confusion is? Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - ta12121 - 2012-06-23 Finally some good news. Can't wait! Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - vix86 - 2012-06-23 TheVinster Wrote:I understand the conversation rate. I guess what I was saying was that assuming we can use the Kobo Touch from other countries as robin asked, we could potentially get it for $100 or less. http://www.kobobooks.com/touch_with_offersI'm not super convinced about this. I think the harse reality will be that publishers are not willing to let their material to be sold outside Japan. Rakuten would also have to be set up to accept forienger credit cards too, and I seem to remember hearing that it's a problem for some stuff. I don't think Rakuten is attempting to compete with Amazon globally, I think they are just trying to cut them off in Japan. Amazon recently announced deals with Kadokawa (I believe?) for putting all their books on Kindle. Rakuten knows if they want to stand a chance they need to get on the move and get something onto the market. Rakuten is pretty big so I think they stand a good chance of giving Amazon a run for their money. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - nohika - 2012-06-23 I actually have a kobo e-reader and would love it if Japanese support got better on it... Unfortunately, I think most of it is watch-and-see right now. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-06-23 Of course, japanese don't want gaijin controlling one of their largest industries. Can anyone find the preorder page? Does it exist? 10000 yen is an awesome price. Previous e-readers were as much 50000 yen. I don't care if many of the book publishers don't join. Just having ANY japanese books would be good enough for me. Whatever they have, i am sure i'll find something i'll like. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - ta12121 - 2012-07-18 http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/02/kobo-japan/ http://kobo.rakuten.co.jp/ Let the madness begin... Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - partner55083777 - 2012-07-18 I had an opportunity to play around with one of these last week, and I was far from impressed. I've never used a Kindle, and I only had a couple minutes to play around with the Kobo, so my opinions may be a little skewed. I'm also mostly comparing the functionality of the Kobo to the functionality of 縦書きビューアー, the Android app I use to read 青空 books. - Everything feels slow. Page turning, searching for words, opening new books, etc. - Looking up a word in the built-in dictionary is a difficult process. After trying for about a minute straight, I was never actually able to lookup the word I wanted to look up. The lady letting me test the device also was unable to actually lookup a word. This is not a good sign. - I feel like the text is somewhat hard to read. It almost feels a little blurry. It's not as clear/crisp as my phone, and it's not as clear/crisp as a real book. The device had a manga on it, and it was also hard to read. The screen is too small to be able to display manga clearly. I'm sure a Japanese person would have no trouble, but it was annoying to me. - The device had 青空 books on it, so I guess there is some easy way to get them on the phone. - The lady showing me the device said that the battery lasts for a month, so that's pretty good. My overall impression is that you should not buy it. It might be worth $20 or so, but I wouldn't spend any more than that on it. (Of course, take this review with a grain of salt. I only played with it for like 2 or 3 minutes.) Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-18 $20?!!! Are you kidding me? Kobo Touch was one of the best rated e-readers in America. Rakuten just tweaked it for Japan. Manga are not good on e-readers because they use pixel-based images (instead of being vector-based like EPUB 3.0 text documents). Since the images are pixel-based, they get pixelated when blown up or scaled down. This doesn't look good on an e-reader screen. Vector-based text, on the other hand, can be scaled up or down with no loss in quality. What this means is the EPUB 3.0 text documents will look clear and crisp no matter how big or small they are.This will work really well for novels and light novels. For anything with images (like manga), it's better to get an iPad 3. Screen refresh on e-readers is slow compared to LCD tablets. If you used a Kindle, you'd know that. Also, e-readers have a few distinct advantages over tablets: 1)Battery Life. An iPad gets you 10 hours. An e-reader gets 150+ hours on a single charge. 2)Text is crisp (like a book) and doesn't hurt the eyes (the light from LCD screen are really bad for your eyes and makes them tired). 3)They weigh next to nothing. An iPad weighs 1.5 pounds (heavy compared to e-readers) 4)You can read it in direct sunlight. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-18 Kobo Touch reader will be released on July 19th (tomorrow!). It is already the #1 item on the Rakuten online store. That's a very good sign. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/7/prweb9686012.htm Quote:Kobo Inc., a global leader in eReading, and its parent company Rakuten, the world’s third-largest e-commerce company, today announced that the Kobo Touch™ is selling like hot-cakes in Japan. Since the companies began offering the award-winning Kobo Touch for pre-order on July 2, the eReader has been the top selling product among the over 100,000,000 products available on Rakuten’s supermall. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - partner55083777 - 2012-07-18 chamcham Wrote:$20?!!! Are you kidding me?I don't care if it was the best rated electronic device anywhere, at any point in history, ever. I personally wouldn't pay over $20 for it. Mostly because it was hard to read and the dictionary didn't work. I tried to be completely honest in my review. I only played with it for a couple minutes, so I could have just gotten a bad impression. chamcham Wrote:1)Battery Life. An iPad gets you 10 hours. An e-reader gets 150+ hours on a single charge.This was not my experience. I felt the text was blurry and somewhat annoying to read. It's like if you took a photocopy of a photocopy of a newspaper article. Or it would be like trying to read kanji on an old gameboy. Not enough pixels. Although you do have a good point that it's easier on the eyes (aside from having to strain to actually read the text). You're right that it was light. If I remember correctly, it was as light as or lighter than my phone. It's also entirely possible to use with one hand, just like you'd use a smartphone. I don't think it's fair to say that the slow screen refresh on the Kindle makes it okay for the Kobo to have a slow screen refresh rate. It's a legitimate complaint, especially when you're used to something fast and responsive. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-18 partner55083777 Wrote:It's possible that you were reading a converted PDF that stored the pageschamcham Wrote:$20?!!! Are you kidding me?I don't care if it was the best rated electronic device anywhere, at any point in history, ever. I personally wouldn't pay over $20 for it. Mostly because it was hard to read and the dictionary didn't work. I tried to be completely honest in my review. I only played with it for a couple minutes, so I could have just gotten a bad impression. as images. This would make the text blurry and pixelated. If that's the case, the retailer should know better. $20 is definitely out of the question for an e-reader. A $79 Amazon Kindle costs $84 to make (Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Amazon-Kindle-Cost-Production-Supplies-Parts,13953.html). But that's Amazon, a company that was not profitable for probably it's first 10 years. If Kobo is making any profit at all, it's a razor thin margin. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - partner55083777 - 2012-07-18 chamcham Wrote:It's possible that you were reading a converted PDF that stored the pagesThat's certainly possible. The book in question was an 青空 book. I wonder what the process is like getting 青空 books onto the reader. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-18 partner55083777 Wrote:Aozora books are available on the web in PDF and HTML formats.chamcham Wrote:It's possible that you were reading a converted PDF that stored the pagesThat's certainly possible. The book in question was an 青空 book. I wonder what the process is like getting 青空 books onto the reader. I'm guessing they just use the PDF files (instead of manually converting the HTML files). Like the previous poster mentioned, that probably also explains why there was no dictionary lookup. I would suggest looking for sample books/chapters in the Kobo bookstore. They're more likely to be EPUB 3.0 books. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - partner55083777 - 2012-07-18 chamcham Wrote:Aozora books are available on the web in PDF and HTML formats.You bring up a good point. Let me clarify what was going on with the dictionary lookup. I was able to lookup words with the dictionary. However, selection was very finicky and I was never able to actually lookup the word I had intended to look up. I kept getting stray letters around the actual word I wanted to lookup. The lady demonstrating it for me was also having problems. Since I was able to lookup something in the dictionary, it couldn't have been a pdf of a scanned image. (Keep in mind, I really only played with the dictionary lookup for a minute or so, until I got annoyed with it. There could be some sort of trick needed in order to select something specific. If not, then I would call it completely unusable.) Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-18 That is actually a problem with PDFs (especially Japanese PDFs that were OCR'ed). If you've ever tried to highlight Japanese words in PDFs, you run into the same problem a lot. I think it has something to do with the flow and layout of the document. Also, it could still be a PDF with images. PDFs have an overlay feature. With OCR (the programs that try to extract words from images), you can superimpose text over an image. So when you copy/paste, the PDF still has an image, but you extract words picked up by the OCR software. It does this by associating text with pieces of an image. OCR in general (especially with Japanese text) is better than nothing but far from perfect. In many cases, the text the OCR finds is NOT what is in the image. For example, copy paste a whole paragraph and compare it to the actual text. Don't be surprised if they're nothing a like. Technically, you could have a human manually correct all the mistakes, but it's too much work and there are too many PDFs. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - Seamoby - 2012-07-19 PDF should die. I would like Adobe Digital Editions to go away too, except that those who love cabbages have already given us effective tools to circumvent the ADE DRM scheme which seems to have become the de facto DRM used by many ebook sellers, and it would be far too annoying to have to deal with a new set of DRM schemes. I've sometimes wondered how ADE came to control ebooks this way. Which begs the question, what DRM scheme will Rakuten's Kobo be using? Will it also be ADE DRM which Kobo is now using? Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-24 http:// Review of the Kobo Touch (with Japanese subtitles). At 6:39, they use a PDF, which is blurry and small. But the native format (like the novel shown right before the PDF) is beautiful. Text is very readable. At only $100 USD, how many people are getting this? Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - Fillanzea - 2012-07-24 I'm still waiting on what Amazon is going to do. Currently the rumors are for a Japanese Kindle in August. Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - Bokusenou - 2012-07-24 Kobo's getting bad reviews... Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - chamcham - 2012-07-24 From the article: Quote:No, seriously, all of the reviews are down – both good and bad. I suppose there were too many people writing things like “I’m going to buy a Kindle” and that upset someone at Rakuten.lol...maybe Fillanzea was right..... Kobo/Rakuten finally releasing e-reader in japan - Fillanzea - 2012-07-24 The cached page of bad reviews is very informative: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Jw68YAqdMUYJ:review.rakuten.co.jp/item/1/213310_15929951/1.1/ev1/+&cd=1&hl=ja&ct=clnk&gl=jp |