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sentence deck inquiry - EratiK - 2012-06-18
Hello.
In order to prepare for JLPT 2 (next year), I plan to do roughly 6000 sentences, and so I am looking for premade decks. I'm not looking for vocab focused sentence decks, but just good sentences for practicing sentence comprehension. I thought I'd start with the DOIJG deck (3300 facts), but I would still be 3000 facts short. From searching the forum, I figured the Kanzen Master 2 kyuu grammar deck might be what I'm looking for. I don't own the book right now, but can someone at least tell me how many facts are in there?
Note that I'm saving the tanuki ultima deck for N1. If you happen to know of any other shared deck that could match my request, thanks for telling too.
Thank you all very much in advance, regards, EK.
sentence deck inquiry - partner55083777 - 2012-06-18
Does Core6k/10k not work for you?
sentence deck inquiry - EratiK - 2012-06-18
Isn't core 10000 for N1?
Also, don't the sentences from the core have a reputation of being stupid and/or boring? At least core 6000 has 4000 facts (which is what I'm looking for), but are they good for complex, "natural-like" sentence comprehension? Isn't the KM 2 deck better in that respect (and how many facts are in there)?
So I started browsing the core plus deck, and only 2000 facts are tagged under JLPT 2 (which is not bad I guess). But out of these 2000, only a big half has sentences, and the few sentences I've seen are easier than the ones in the DOBJG, if not for vocab. Do you think this description is accurate, or have I missed surprises?
Started browsing the core 6k deck, it looks promising, I'll probably stick with that. Still, if someone could answer my KM 2 deck questions, I'd be grateful.
sentence deck inquiry - Nukemarine - 2012-06-18
Core 2k/6k/10k are for vocabulary words. They just happen to have example sentences. These examples are kept simple (and likely not natural) because they're there to support a particular word. In addition, these words have diminishing returns so the use you get out of 2k far exceeds the extra 4,000 in the 6k or 10 decks.
Similar reasoning for KM2, these are grammar points that use example sentences (about 2 or 3 per point). They're not entirely natural, and use simpler vocabulary.
You want to do Core 2k/6k since that covers a lot of the N2 vocab. You want to do KM2 since that covers the N2 grammar quite well. After that, getting sentences from news sources will probably help you the best for the test. The NHK news stories are good in that they're short, transcribed and have interviews.
Of course, I've never taken the N2 so take my advice with caution.
sentence deck inquiry - partner55083777 - 2012-06-19
This is just based on my personal opinion/experiences, but I would say you don't necessarily have to worry if a deck is geared towards the JLPT test.
The new test is designed to test your actual knowledge of Japanese. If you can sit down and get the gist of a news paper article, a drama, a natural conversation, then you should be prepared for the test.
If you want to study something premade in order to improve your Japanese, I would go with Nukemarine's suggestions. Core6k and a grammar deck. I've never used KM2, but if Nukemarine is suggesting it then it's probably pretty good.
In order to do well on the test you should also be reading a lot. Try reading a lot of different things. New paper articles, magazines, novels, commentary essays, etc. If you take a practice JLPT test, you can get an idea of the type of things you need to be reading.
sentence deck inquiry - EratiK - 2012-06-19
Okay, thanks.
sentence deck inquiry - overture2112 - 2012-06-20
EratiK Wrote:So I started browsing the core plus deck, and only 2000 facts are tagged under JLPT 2 (which is not bad I guess). But out of these 2000, only a big half has sentences, and the few sentences I've seen are easier than the ones in the DOBJG, if not for vocab.I've only casually looked at some practice tests and haven't studied for the JLPT (so feel free to ignore me), but if I were to do so I'd generate a list of all the morphemes I wanted to learn and put them into a morph man DB (combining from jlpt study decks and importing from text files that I copied other popular word lists into) then used the matched morpheme feature against a large sentence deck (which would effectively assign a JLPT word to learn to those sentences as much as it can without duplicates) then study all the sentences that were assigned something.
More limited approach: If you like the sentences in DOBJG more than core plus you could match core plus vocab words against DOBJG sentences to study them from there (and suspend the matched ones in core plus if you decide to do the rest from there).
sentence deck inquiry - EratiK - 2012-06-20
Hmmm...