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"primitives" versus radicals - Dragg - 2007-11-05 Are Heisig's primitives generally different than the commonly-accepted radicals that Japanese people use to look up Kanji in a dictionary? If they are very different, how much of a problem, if any, does this pose to the serious student later on? In this sense, I wonder what a Japanese native speaker would think of the Heisig method. "primitives" versus radicals - JimmySeal - 2007-11-05 Many of the primitives are not radicals, but most radicals show up as primitives. I'd say the Heisig method poses no problem to a serious learner later on and in fact is quite helpful when one does start learning about radicals. Most Japanese people don't give much thought to radicals, and Heisig graduates generally know more about radicals than the typical Japanese person, without ever having studied them specifically. "primitives" versus radicals - ファブリス - 2007-11-06 I second JimmySeal. You learn nearly all radicals within RtK Volume 1, only they have different names. Some people don't like the fact that radicals get "fancy" names, but if you look closely Heisig often chose images that were related in one way or another. True, there are a few exceptions, were Heisig chose a completely unrelated meaning for the radical/primitive. What Heisig did with primitives is create more recognisable and learnable combinations of radicals, which become one primitive, but even those he teaches you from the building blocks of the simple primitives/radicals introduced earlier. Personally I would have loved to see an index with the Japanese names for the radicals as an addendum to RtK1. I also wanted to put up such a resource on this site, but never got around to it, basically make a simple table that takes each primitive, gives the corresponding radical(s), and original Japanese name. "primitives" versus radicals - Katsuo - 2007-11-07 ファブリス Wrote:Personally I would have loved to see an index with the Japanese names for the radicals as an addendum to RtK1. I also wanted to put up such a resource on this site, but never got around to it, basically make a simple table that takes each primitive, gives the corresponding radical(s), and original Japanese name.Here is an equivalents list based on the 214 radicals. First a few notes: 1) All but 4 of the 214 radicals appear in Heisig's books. They are 鬥鬯黹龠 and are quite rare (鬯 is in new editions). 2) Of the 210 radicals that appear in Heisig, 207 have been given names. The other three are 禸髟鬲(suggestions: "sling", "hairstyle" and "tripod" respectively.) 3) Some radicals have variant forms For example 齊 is equivalent to 斉. Due to various revisions over the years the "standard" forms of a few radicals are rarely encountered. I've added some of the more common variants below. 4) Most radicals have acquired a number of different names over the years. I've tried to limit this list to the most common names, and also those which work best when doing a multi-radical search in electronic versions of the Kanjigen dictionary. 5) Depending on the font you are using, a few characters may not display properly. 6) (Edit) If you would like the data below in spreadsheet format, click here. The order is: Radical number -- Radical -- Common variant as used in Heisig (if any) -- Stroke count -- Name(s) in kana -- Heisig's name(s) 1 一 1 いち one, floor, ceiling 2 丨 1 ぼう walking stick, cane 3 丶 1 てん drop 4 丿 1 の drop* 5 乙 1 おつ fishguts, fishhook 6 亅 1 はねぼう walking stick, cane* 7 二 2 に two 8 亠 2 なべぶた top hat 9 人 2 ひと、にんべん person 10 儿 2 ひとあし human legs 11 入 2 いる enter, go in, put in 12 八 2 はち eight 13 冂 2 どうがまえ hood 14 冖 2 ワかんむり crown 15 冫 2 にすい ice 16 几 2 つくえ wind 17 凵 2 うけばこ shovel 18 刀 2 かたな、りっとう sword, dagger, sabre 19 力 2 ちから power, muscle 20 勹 2 つつみがまえ bound up 21 匕 2 さじ spoon, sitting on the ground 22 匚 2 はこがまえ box 23 匸 2 かくしがまえ box 24 十 2 じゅう ten, needle 25 卜 2 うらない、ぼくのと augury, magic wand 26 卩 2 ふしづくり stamp 27 厂 2 がんだれ cliff 28 厶 2 む elbow 29 又 2 また or again, crotch 30 口 3 くち mouth 31 囗 3 くにがまえ pent in 32 土 3 つち soil, dirt, land 33 士 3 さむらい gentleman, samurai 34 夂 3 なつあし、ふゆがしら walking legs 35 夊 3 すい、なつあし walking legs 36 夕 3 ゆうべ evening 37 大 3 だい、おおきい large, St. Bernard dog, large dog 38 女 3 おんな woman 39 子 3 こ child 40 宀 3 ウかんむり house 41 寸 3 すん measurement, glue 42 小 3 ちいさい、なおがしら little, small 43 尢 3 まげあし、もっとも chihuahua with a human leg (but no "drop") 44 尸 3 かばね、しかばね flag 45 屮 3 てつ mountain goat with horns missing 46 山 3 やま mountain 47 川 3 かわ、まがりがわ stream 48 工 3 たくみ craft 49 己 3 おのれ self, snake 50 巾 3 はば towel 51 干 3 ほす、いちじゅう dry, clothesline 52 幺 3 いとがしら cocoon 53 广 3 まだれ cave 54 廴 3 えんにょう stretch 55 廾 3 にじゅうあし two hands 56 弋 3 しきがまえ arrow 57 弓 3 ゆみ bow 58 ヨ 3 けいがしら broom 59 彡 3 さんづくり shape 60 彳 3 ぎょうにんべん column, going, line 61 心 4 こころ heart, valentine, state of mind 62 戈 4 かのほこ、ほこ fiesta 63 戸 4 とびらのと door 64 手 4 て、てへん hand, fingers 65 支 4 えだ、じゅうまた branch 66 攴 攵 4 とまた、のぶん taskmaster 67 文 4 ぶん sentence, plaid 68 斗 4 とます big dipper, measuring cup 69 斤 4 おの axe 70 方 4 かた、かたへん direction, compass 71 无 旡 4 むにょう waitress 72 日 4 ひ、にち、じつ day, sun, tongue wagging in mouth 73 曰 4 ひらび、いわく sayeth, sun* 74 月 4 つき、げつ month, moon, flesh, part of the body 75 木 4 き、もく tree, wood 76 欠 4 あくび lack, yawn 77 止 4 とめる stop, footprint 78 歹 4 いちた、がつへん bones 79 殳 4 るまた missile 80 毋 4 はは mother 81 比 4 くらべる、ひ compare 82 毛 4 もう、け fur 83 氏 4 うじ family name 84 气 4 きがまえ spirit* 85 水 4 みず、さんずい water 86 火 4 ひ、れんが、れっか fire 87 爪 4 つめ claw, vulture 88 父 4 ちち father 89 爻 4 めめ two sheaves 90 爿 丬 4 しょうへん turtle 91 片 4 かた、へん one-sided 92 牙 4 きば tusk 93 牛 4 うし cow 94 犬 4 いぬ、けものへん dog, chihuahua, pack of wild dogs 95 玄 5 げん mysterious 96 玉 5 たま jewel, ball 97 瓜 5 うり melon 98 瓦 5 かわら tile 99 甘 5 あまい sweet, wicker basket 100 生 5 なま、うまれる life, cell 101 用 5 もちいる utilize, screwdriver 102 田 5 でん、た rice field, brains 103 疋 5 ひき critters, zoo 104 疒 5 やまいだれ sickness 105 癶 5 はつがしら teepee 106 白 5 しろ white, white bird, white dove 107 皮 5 けがわ pelt 108 皿 5 さら dish 109 目 5 め、めへん eye 110 矛 5 ほこ、ほこへん halberd 111 矢 5 や、やへん dart 112 石 5 いし stone, rock 113 示 5 しめす、ねへん show, altar 114 禸 5 ぐう、ぐうのあし belt + elbow 115 禾 5 のぎ wheat 116 穴 5 あな、あなかんむり hole 117 立 5 たつ、たつへん stand up, vase 118 竹 6 たけ bamboo 119 米 6 こめ rice 120 糸 6 いと thread 121 缶 6 ほとぎ tin can 122 网 罒 6 よこめ、あみがしら eye, net 123 羊 6 ひつじ sheep 124 羽 6 はね feathers 125 老 6 おいかんむり old man 126 而 6 しかして and then, comb 127 耒 6 らいすき christmas tree 128 耳 6 みみ ear 129 聿 6 ふで brush 130 肉 6 にく meat, flesh, part of the body 131 臣 6 しん、おみ retainer, slave 132 自 6 みずから nose 133 至 6 いたる climax 134 臼 6 うす mortar 135 舌 6 した、したへん tongue 136 舛 6 まいあし sunglasses 137 舟 6 ふねへん boat 138 艮 6 うしとら、こん、ねづくり silver 139 色 6 いろ color 140 艸 艹 6 くさ、くさかんむり flower 141 虍 6 とら tiger 142 虫 6 むし insect 143 血 6 ち blood 144 行 6 ぎょうがまえ going, boulevard 145 衣 6 ころも garment, clothes, top hat and scarf 146 西 6 にし west, old west 147 見 7 みる see 148 角 7 つの angle 149 言 7 ことば、ごんべん say, words 150 谷 7 たに valley 151 豆 7 まめ beans, table 152 豕 7 ぶた、いのこ sow 153 豸 7 むじな skunk, badger 154 貝 7 かいへん、こがい shellfish, oyster, clam 155 赤 7 あか red 156 走 7 はしる run 157 足 7 あしへん leg, wooden leg 158 身 7 みへん somebody 159 車 7 くるま car 160 辛 7 からい spicy, red pepper 161 辰 7 しんのたつ sign of the dragon 162 辵 ⻌ 7 しんにょう、しんにゅう road, way 163 邑 阝 7 おおざと、むら city walls 164 酉 7 とりへん、ひよみのとり sign of the bird, whiskey bottle 165 釆 7 のごめ animal tracks 166 里 7 さと ri, computer 167 金 8 かね gold, metal 168 長 8 ながい long, hair 169 門 8 もんがまえ、かど gates 170 阜 阝 8 こざと、ぎふのふ large hill, pinnacle, acropolis 171 隶 8 れいづくり sieve 172 隹 8 ふるとり turkey 173 雨 8 あめかんむり rain, weather 174 青 8 あお blue 175 非 8 あらず un-, jail cell 176 面 9 めん、つら mask 177 革 9 かわへん leather 178 韋 9 なめしがわ locket 179 韭 9 にら green onion 180 音 9 おと sound 181 頁 9 おおがい、ページ page, head 182 風 9 かぜ wind 183 飛 9 とぶ fly 184 食 9 しょくへん eat, food 185 首 9 くび neck 186 香 9 においこう、かおり incense 187 馬 10 うま horse, team of horses 188 骨 10 ほねへん skeleton 189 高 10 たかい、たか tall 190 髟 10 かみかんむり hair + shape 191 鬥 10 とうがまえ not in Heisig 192 鬯 10 ちょう not in Heisig (*is in new editions) 193 鬲 10 かなえ ceiling + mouth + hood + human legs + spike 194 鬼 10 おに ghost 195 魚 11 さかな、うお fish 196 鳥 11 とり bird 197 鹵 11 ろ、しおち rocksalt 198 鹿 11 しか deer 199 麦 11 むぎ barley 200 麻 11 あさかんむり hemp 201 黄 12 きいろ yellow 202 黍 12 きび millet 203 黒 12 くろ black 204 黹 12 ふつ not in Heisig 205 黽 13 べん、おおがえる eels (old form) 206 鼎 13 かなえ tripod 207 鼓 13 つづみ drum 208 鼠 13 ねずみ mouse 209 鼻 14 はなへん nose 210 齊 斉 14 せい、ひとしい adjusted, adjust 211 齒 歯 15 はへん tooth, teeth 212 龍 16 たつ、りゅう、ろう dragon (old) 213 龜 亀 16 かめ tortoise 214 龠 17 ふえ、やく not in Heisig Edit: added notes to Nos. 43, 192, and corrections to Nos. 47, 55 "primitives" versus radicals - ファブリス - 2007-11-07 Wow, Katsuo, thanks! Could you send me this in spreadsheet format, or just plain text, tab/comma separated? I could make this into a page on the site, in a fancy table. If I can load it into the database I could also make a simple, random flashcard test on the radicals/primitives and their Japanese names. "primitives" versus radicals - Dragg - 2007-11-07 Thanks Katsuo. Great list. "primitives" versus radicals - Teskal - 2009-12-09 Here a list I made a while ago. If I had made known this thread, I could have spend much time for other useful stuff. This List includes some more variants: Deleted this List, made new list few posts down. "primitives" versus radicals - meolox - 2009-12-09 Based on Teskal's list here is a link to all the study pages for each radical, useful for keeping notes on radicals not in RTK. 1画数 一 丨 丶 丿 乙(乚乛) 亅 2画数 二 亠 人,亻 儿 入 八 冂 冖 冫 几 凵 刀,刂 力 勹 匕 匚 匸 十 卜 卩 厂 厶 又 3画数 口 囗 土 士 夂 夊 夕 大 女 子 (孑 孒 孓) 宀 寸 小 尢 尢 尸 屮 山 川,巛 工 己(巳) 巾 干 幺 广 廴 廾 弋 弓 彐,彑 彡 彳 4画数 心,忄 戈 戸, 戶 手,扌 支 攴,攵 文 斗 斤 方 无,旡 日 曰 月 木 欠 止 歹 殳 母 // 毋 比 毛 氏 气 水,氵 火, 灬 爪,爫 父 爻 爿,丬 片 牙 牛, 牜 犬, 犭 5画数 玄 王 // 玉 瓜 瓦 甘 生 It's taking me ages to enter these so I'll stop here to judge the usefulness of these links to anyone. If they appear useful I'll set up the rest or write a perl script to do it for me. "primitives" versus radicals - unauthorized - 2009-12-10 ファブリス Wrote:Wow, Katsuo, thanks!Here you go: Quote:1,一,1,いち,one, floor, ceiling "primitives" versus radicals - Koos83 - 2009-12-11 ファブリス Wrote:Wow, Katsuo, thanks!That flashcard test sounds good.
"primitives" versus radicals - buonaparte - 2010-12-04 Quote:http://kanjialive.uchicago.edu/pdfs/intro-to-kanji.pdfhttp://kanjialive.uchicago.edu/intro.htm "primitives" versus radicals - Teskal - 2010-12-05 I have a newer List for the Radicals: Nr Strokes Radikal 001,0 1 一 002,0 1 丨 003,0 1 丶 004,0 1 丿 004,1 1 乀 004,2 1 乁 005,0 1 乙 005,1 1 乛 005,2 1 乚 006,0 1 亅 007,0 2 二 008,0 2 亠 009,0 2 人 009,1 2 亻 009,2 2 ? 009,3 2 ? 010,0 2 儿 011,0 2 入 012,0 2 八 013,0 2 冂 014,0 2 冖 015,0 2 冫 016,0 2 几 016,1 2 ⺇ 016,0 2 ⼏ 017,0 2 凵 018,0 2 刀 018,1 2 刂 018,2 2 ⺈ 018,3 2 刁 019,0 2 力 020,0 2 勹 021,0 2 匕 022,0 2 匚 023,0 2 匸 024,0 2 十 025,0 2 卜 025,1 2 ⺊ 026,0 2 卩 026,0 2 ⺋ 027,0 2 厂 028,0 2 厶 029,0 2 又 030,0 3 口 031,0 3 囗 032,0 3 土 033,0 3 士 034,0 3 夂 035,0 3 夊 036,0 3 夕 037,0 3 大 038,0 3 女 039,0 3 子 (孑, 孒, 孓) 040,0 3 宀 041,0 3 寸 042,0 3 小 042,1 3 ⺌ 042,2 3 ⺍ 043,0 3 尢 043,0 3 ⺎ 043,1 4 尣 044,0 3 尸 045,0 3 屮 046,0 3 山 047,0 3 巛 047,1 3 川 048,0 3 工 049,0 3 己 049,1 3 已 049,2 3 巳 050,0 3 巾 051,0 3 干 052,0 3 幺 053,0 3 广 054,0 3 廴 055,0 3 廾 056,0 3 弋 057,0 3 弓 058,0 3 彐 058,1 3 彑 058,2 3 ⺕ 059,0 3 彡 060,0 3 彳 061,0 4 心 061,1 3 忄 061,2 4 ⺗ 062,0 4 戈 063,0 4 户 063,1 4 戸 063,2 4 戶 064,0 4 手 064,1 3 扌 065,0 4 支 066,0 4 攴 066,1 4 攵 067,0 4 文 068,0 4 斗 069,0 4 斤 070,0 4 方 071,0 4 无 071,1 4 旡 072,0 4 日 073,0 4 曰 074,0 4 月 074,1 4 ⺝ 075,0 4 木 075,1 4 朩 076,0 4 欠 077,0 4 止 078,0 4 歹 078,1 4 歺 079,0 4 殳 080,0 4 毋 080,1 4 母 081,0 4 比 082,0 4 毛 083,0 4 氏 083,0 4 ⺠ 084,0 4 气 085,0 4 水 085,1 3 氵 085,2 4 ⺢ 086,0 4 火 086,1 4 灬 087,0 4 爪 087,1 4 ⺥ 087,2 4 ⺤ 088,0 4 父 089,0 4 爻 090,0 4 爿 090,1 3 丬 091,0 4 片 092,0 4 牙 093,0 4 牛 093,1 4 牜 093,2 4 ⺧ 094,0 4 犬 094,1 3 犭 095,0 5 玄 096,0 5 玉 096,1 4 ⺩ 096,2 4 王 096,3 5 玊 097,0 5 瓜 098,0 4 瓦 099,0 5 甘 100,0 5 生 101,0 5 用 101,1 5 甩 102,0 5 田 102,1 5 由 102,2 5 申 102,3 5 申 102,4 5 甴 102,5 5 电 103,0 5 疋 103,1 5 ⺪ 104,0 5 疒 105,0 5 癶 106,0 5 白 107,0 5 皮 108,0 5 皿 109,0 5 目 110,0 5 矛 111,0 5 矢 112,0 5 石 113,0 5 示 113,1 4 ⺭ 113,2 5 ⺬ 114,0 5 禸 115,0 5 禾 116,0 5 穴 117,0 5 立 118,0 6 竹 118,1 6 ⺮ 119,0 6 米 120,0 6 糸 120,1 6 糹 121,0 6 缶 122,0 6 网 122,1 5 罒 122,2 4 ⺳ 123,0 6 羊 123,1 6 ⺶ 123,2 6 ⺷ 123,3 Variante 124,0 6 羽 124,0 6 羽 125,0 6 老 125,1 4 耂 125,2 6 考 126,0 6 而 127,0 6 耒 128,0 6 耳 129,0 6 聿 129,1 4 肀 129,2 4 ⺻ 130,0 6 肉 130,1 4 月 links 130,2 6 ⺼ 131,0 6 臣 132,0 6 自 133,0 6 至 134,0 6 臼 135,0 6 舌 136,0 6 舛 137,0 6 舟 138,0 6 艮 139,0 6 色 140,0 6 艸 140,1 3 艹 141,0 6 虍 142,0 6 虫 143,0 6 血 144,0 6 行 145,0 6 衣 145,1 5 衤 146,0 6 西 146,1 6 襾 146,2 6 覀 147,0 7 見 148,0 7 角 149,0 7 言 149,1 7 訁 150,0 7 谷 151,0 7 豆 152,0 7 豕 153,0 7 豸 154,0 7 貝 155,0 7 赤 156,0 7 走 157,0 7 足 157,1 7 ⻊ 158,0 7 身 159,0 7 車 160,0 7 辛 161,0 7 辰 162,0 7 辵 162,1 3 ⻌ 162,2 4 辶 163,0 7 邑 163,1 3 ⻏ 164,0 7 酉 165,0 7 釆 166,0 7 里 167,0 8 金 167,1 8 釒 168,0 8 長 168,1 7 镸 169,0 8 門 170,0 8 阜 170,1 3 ⻖ 171,0 8 隶 172,0 8 隹 173,0 8 雨 173,1 8 ⻗ 174,0 8 靑 174,1 8 青 175,0 8 非 176,0 9 面 176,1 8 靣 177,0 9 革 178,0 9 韋 179,0 9 韭 180,0 9 音 181,0 9 頁 182,0 9 風 183,0 9 飛 183,1 3 飞 184,0 9 食 184,1 8 飠 184,2 9 ⻞ 185,0 9 首 186,0 9 香 187,0 10 馬 188,0 10 骨 189,0 10 高 190,0 10 髟 191,0 10 鬥 192,0 10 鬯 193,0 10 鬲 194,0 10 鬼 195,0 11 魚 196,0 11 鳥 197,0 11 鹵 198,0 11 鹿 199,0 11 麥 199,1 7 麦 200,0 11 麻 201,0 11 黄 201,1 12 黃 202,0 12 黍 203,0 11 黒 203,1 12 黑 204,0 12 黹 205,0 13 黽 206,0 13 鼎 207,0 13 鼓 207,0 13 鼔 208,0 13 鼠 209,0 13 鼻 210,0 14 齊 210,1 8 斉 211,0 12 歯 211,1 15 齒 212,0 16 龍 212,1 10 竜 213,0 11 亀 213,1 16 龜 214,0 17 龠 1 ? 2 2 ⺁ 2 乂 2 龴 3 亡 3 丸 5 主 4 天 9 韦 4 廿 4 不 4 中 4 尺 5 ? 5 去 10 ? 5 戊 5 龸 5 业 6 龹 6 亦 6 ? 6 朿 6 亚 6 光 7 束 8 龺 9 是 The Radicals after 214, are Radicals of the 226 System. Das anyone know the 226 radical-system-name? "primitives" versus radicals - kintopp - 2014-02-08 The Kanji alive links posted earlier in this thread are now out of date. Here's a current link to the "214 traditional kanji radicals" page (full disclosure - I'm one of the developers of the KA web app): http://kanjialive.com/214-traditional-kanji-radicals/ BTW, I noticed that Wikipedia (en) now has several new pages on kanji radicals too (besides their older entry on Kangxi radicals in general): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Japanese_kanji_radicals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_table_of_Japanese_kanji_radicals "primitives" versus radicals - PMotte - 2015-08-13 Thank you for the list, Katsuo. |