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Passive: Transitive vs Intransitive - turvy - 2012-02-08
I am looking for a comprehensive explanation of passive, causative and passive+causative forms in Japanese as well as how they relate to intransitive and transitive verbs.
For example:
TRANSITIVE
ドアが閉める。
ドアが閉めた。
Passive Form
ドアが閉められる。
ドアが閉められた。
Ｘがドアを閉められる。
Ｘがドアを閉められた。
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INTRANSITIVE
ドアが閉まる。
ドアが閉まった。
Passive Form
ドアが閉まられる。
ドアが閉まられた。
Ｘがドアを閉まられる。
Ｘがドアを閉まられた。
Passive: Transitive vs Intransitive - yudantaiteki - 2012-02-08
This is a pretty complicated topic to ask someone to just explain it from the ground up -- do you have a grammar guide like the Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar or a textbook?
Passive: Transitive vs Intransitive - Inny Jan - 2012-02-08
@OP
You realise that you didn't actually list causative or passive+causative examples, don't you?
OTOH, the title of this thread doesn't have those either...
Passive: Transitive vs Intransitive - turvy - 2012-02-08
I read a few grammar books, and a couple of online guides, but…
I just read about the subject on Japanese Verbs at a Glance and liked its approach, it said that +ている and +てある are used with intransitive and transitive verbs respectively to describe the state of being and that seems to have clicked for me. I still need to read another take on the subject and several times to make sure I am on the right track.
@Inny Jan Yes, I know, it's ok.