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Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - matrixofdynamism - 2012-02-02
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 when the cow radical is 牛 and tree is 木?
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-02
Because the right side of those is the strokes of 牛 overlapping the strokes of 木
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - matrixofdynamism - 2012-02-02
I never knew that strokes can actually "overlap" as well.
Besides this why do people have radicals like 殳, which are infact made up of two other radicals 几 and 又, I mean radicals are supposed to be the simplest unbreakable components that make other Kanji right? Than how can radicals be made of other radicals sometimes?
Finally than, by looking at a kanji how do I know how I search for it in the dictionary when there are two ways to breakdown the Kanji into radicals in such a case?
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-02
I don't believe that 'radicals' in the original sense of 'the key component that a character is traditionally categorized under' -can- overlap, however in the looser sense of 'component of a kanji' it's useful to consider sets of strokes as overlapping radicals so that you can search for them without inventing new radicals.
If you're looking in a traditional dictionary (radical + stroke count), then you need to look for the actual radical, which is generally one of, the character as radical; the enclosing component; the left component; the top component. Usually only when the none of those components are in the list of 214 radicals do you look at the right or bottom components, or the enclosed component and see if -those- are the radical. There are a few oddballs though.
If you're using an electronic dictionary (including jisho.org), then you'll generally want to search by the most complex radicals that you see. When a radical can be seen as being made of other radicals, those subcomponents are not always listed - not every horizontal line can be searched as 一, for an obvious example.
I don't think the rules for breaking kanji down into components are consistent across dictionaries, and in particular not consistent between KANJIDIC and Japanese publishers putting out electronic dictionaries, although I've not studied it deeply. I've just gotten a feel for the lists of components that are likely to give me the character shapes I'm looking at.
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - JimmySeal - 2012-02-02
matrixofdynamism Wrote:I mean radicals are supposed to be the simplest unbreakable components that make other Kanji right?Says who? Most radicals are made up of other radicals.
On the other hand, I don't think it's normal to interpret 朱 as containing 牛; that's probably some rikaichan developer getting a bit too liberal. But it does contain 木.
Quote:Finally than, by looking at a kanji how do I know how I search for it in the dictionary when there are two ways to breakdown the Kanji into radicals in such a case?If you're looking up kanji by the 1-main-radical method, then all I can say is get with the times, daddy-o. A good dictionary (and by that I mean electronic - handheld or computer software) will let you look up kanji by their parts, so there's no guesswork.
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - dtcamero - 2012-02-02
I think we are all familiar with the heisig term 'primitive' which is different from the set list of 'radicals'. Primitives can either consist of entire whole or parts of radicals, and are more flexible in what they can consist of than radicals are.
also, primitives too can overlap at times...
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-02
JimmySeal Wrote:On the other hand, I don't think it's normal to interpret 朱 as containing 牛; that's probably some rikaichan developer getting a bit too liberal. But it does contain 木.Rikaichan just uses KANJIDIC, as do many other software tools and web dictionaries, so it will be 'normal' across many interfaces.
However, my electronic dictionary's 漢字源 does not give 朱 for うし＆き, so it's not universal. On the other hand, I can use あけ for 朱 in my electronic dictionary, but on jisho.org and other KANJIDIC tools, you need to strictly limit yourself to radicals.
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - yudantaiteki - 2012-02-03
I tried out some tests on my electronic dictionary's kanji lookup; using がつへん + しゅ of course brought up 殊. がつへん and うし did not, but がつへん and き did. So there may be some difference depending on the dictionary you're using.
Why does Rikaichan show cow and tree radical in 殊 珠 株 - Jarvik7 - 2012-02-03
My rikaichan shows the radicals all correctly. You are just looking at the data from the database that is meant to be used by applications for "search by parts" functions, which is stupid to expose to the end user.