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How to learn small mistakes? - Mesqueeb - 2012-01-31
A friend corrected me recently in a text I sent:
17日は夜剣道やってるかもけど
↓
17日は夜剣道やってるかも、けど
又は
17日は夜剣道やってかもだけど、
Now, I keep making small mistakes like this. Does anyone know how to put something like this into anki, or know any other advice on things like this?
How to learn small mistakes? - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-01-31
If you have a sentence deck in Anki, I would search ALC or Tatoeba for sentences that include the correct version of the expression your trying to correct, and then put a couple of sentences with that into Anki; put a note on the flip side about the error you're trying to correct.
If you use cloze deletions at all, you could put a sentence (from the same sorts of sources) in there and have the blank be the grammar point you're trying to fix. If it's too ambiguous you can put '(けれども)' or '(however)' on the front of the card to remind you of the basic element that goes in the blank and test you only on filling in the correct formation, not on arbitrarily remembering what the sentence originally said.
You also might want to search your sentence decks for already existing examples, especially to make sure that you don't have the writing you're trying to avoid as a card, but also simply to modify a card.
How to learn small mistakes? - AlexandreC - 2012-01-31
I think the first step is understanding what the mistake is, or why you made it. Without some kind of rationalization, I doubt you'll be able to fix it. The next step is to encourage everyone to correct you so that if you make the mistake again, it gets corrected and you can address it. Make sure you also correct yourself when you make it. It's not necessarily reasonable to expect that you will fix it right away, but after being told a few times, you should be able to fix it most of the time, and eventually all the time.
How to learn small mistakes? - biAtch - 2012-01-31
I'm of the opinion that making mistakes like this and realizing that you've done so is an integral part of language acquisition. Gotta agree with AlexandreC on this. Rationalize and take note. Maybe add several cards into Anki that demonstrate the small point you're trying to correct to reinforce it.
How to learn small mistakes? - Mesqueeb - 2012-03-09
MCD's are perfect to overcome small problems like this. ^^
Steps to take: Use MCD's for a while.
Then when you notice you made a small mistake, or are corrected, like my けど mistake, you search that and make a single enclosure on that hiragana structure. xD
For more info on MCD's, stay tuned on AJATT.
I've been using them for 3 months, and in just 3 months I have just as much MCD cards as sentences. <3
How to learn small mistakes? - vix86 - 2012-03-09
Mesqueeb Wrote:MCD's are perfect to overcome small problems like this. ^^I'm sorry, but I'm going to come down hard on this post because its absolutely useless.
Steps to take: Use MCD's for a while.
Then when you notice you made a small mistake, or are corrected, like my けど mistake, you search that and make a single enclosure on that hiragana structure. xD
For more info on MCD's, stay tuned on AJATT.
I've been using them for 3 months, and in just 3 months I have just as much MCD cards as sentences. <3
You tell the OP. "MCDs fix this PERFECTLY."
You then give the ever most briefest information about what it is.
"Its using clozure."
Which the way I understand it from other posts, is not exactly the whole case.
And then go "Want more info? we~lll you'll have to wait for Khatz to release it on AJATT" (cause its a 'secret').
This is carrot-and-stick nonsense and its not supportive or productive on a forum where many of us want to help others learn.
The only way I can forgive/overlook this is if you actually have prior knowledge that the OP knows about MCDs and the whole "mystery" behind them on AJATT, but even then its still not very supportive.
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To the OP, Mesqueeb may have a point about MCD, but just failed to explain it.
So check out the thread on Koohii: ajatt -> what is a MCD?
As I understand it MCD is basically "Massive Clozure Decks." Where you create multiple clozure cards for the same sentence on different parts. In this cause you would create a clozure card on the part you are making a mistake on. Then you would cloze other parts of the sentence on other cards.
I'm skeptical about this method but you can read other people's input in that thread assuming you don't already know about MCDs.
EDIT: I wanted to add more to this. Since I don't read/follow/consume AJATT I hadn't realized they finally went from keeping it a 'paid-secret' to finally explaining what the hell MCD is.
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-it-about-these-mcds-part-1
This one page is really the only bit that explains it. The rest of the posts are simply, "reviews."