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encoding on new browsers - MonjaIsshin - 2011-07-17
Fortunately (or unfortunately) all our installed browsers on all our computers are the latest versions of Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer - and I can't find how to change the encoding of a given page on any of them - on older versions of Firefox it was quite simple (view -> encoding or something like that). Where have the "change page encoding" commands gone off to? What am I overlooking?
I am trying to view this parallel text:
http://mastarpj.nict.go.jp/~mutiyama/align/htmPages/wildcat-0.htm
but so far I have gotten nothing but gibberish for the Japanese text.
Can anyone help?
encoding on new browsers - pudding cat - 2011-07-17
In firefox you can press Alt to toggle the menu toolbar.
encoding on new browsers - MonjaIsshin - 2011-07-17
Thanks for the quick reply.
And it worked!
Any suggestions for Chrome and Internet Explorer?
encoding on new browsers - gibosi - 2011-07-17
I am using Chrome (12.0.742.122) -- Wrench, Tools, Encoding: For the page you referenced above, Japanese Shift_JIS works for me.
encoding on new browsers - gdaxeman - 2011-07-17
In Internet Explorer 9, it's Alt key > View > Encoding > More > Japanese (Shift-JIS).
In Firefox 5, if you don't want to press alt, you can also use Firefox button > Web Developer > Character Encoding > More Encodings > East Asian > Japanese (Shift_JIS). Actually that's the preferred way, now that they're hiding the legacy menu and placing things in the orange button.
encoding on new browsers - nest0r - 2011-07-17
I don't think it's the preferred way. If they have a preference I'm sure it's for Alt-V-C since it's easier and faster. ^_^
Edit: By the way, MonjaIsshin, you might want to change Auto-Detect to Japanese, East Asian, or Universal (Alt-V, C, A). That page automatically displayed properly for me in Firefox.
encoding on new browsers - gdaxeman - 2011-07-17
I mean preferred because you don't have to remember keyboard shortcuts, and you can explore the new orange button they're so fond of!
encoding on new browsers - pudding cat - 2011-07-17
It's so horribly orange though! This makes it better
encoding on new browsers - nest0r - 2011-07-17
Everyone knows how to do Alt then look at the underlined V and C, don't they? Plus you can permantly toggle the Menu. But that aside, I guess I think of Firefox's menu redesign process as not entirely centered around what they prefer users to do; I can't imagine they sat around and thought that only Web Developers would want to change Character Encodings, when previously it was under a more general View option. I think it was more of a happenstance sort of thing that they don't have a preference for or haven't though about since they probably didn't think a lot about bilingual or language-learning users. And in that sense, I think the default preference goes back to what's easiest for users, i.e. Alt-V or re-enabling the Menu.
What's the keyboard shortcut for that orange button menu, anyway? Not that I ever use it.
@pudding_cat - If you're using Stylish you can make it transparent and also change it from a word to just the small Firefox logo.
encoding on new browsers - MonjaIsshin - 2011-07-17
Thank you, everybody!
And yes, once I found the command, I put Firefox on Autodetect for Japanese.
Chrome is now also Autodetect, too - now that you've explained where the command is... .
I'll do IE later, when I have more time... .
I agree that the developers probable really didn't really think much about making things convenient for bi-lingual browser use - in fact, I don't think they really thought about the final user's convenience at all - as a non-programming relatively skilled long-time user who has very little time for "learning curves", I have been finding it extremely frustrating that so darned many of the programs I use most often (like every day - Office, browsers) have been ALL changing the entire logic of their systems so much that I feel like I've been thrown back to near-beginner and am having trouble getting my work done! It seems to me that "easing the transition" was not thought about at all... . Sometimes, programers are so involved in what works best in the programming sense that they completely forget what might work better for the final users... .
Anyhow, thanks a lot - at least that's one more little nagging hassle settled... .
encoding on new browsers - gdaxeman - 2011-07-17
@nest0r, I don't know but I think this discussion doesn't make much sense in this context as it's basically only personal preference. Personally, when I'm using Firefox, I prefer using the mouse most of the time, including customized mouse gestures and side buttons to access the features I use the most. Actually I rarely, if ever, use the Alt key; for some reason, it simply doesn't flatter me much the way it works.
encoding on new browsers - pudding cat - 2011-07-17
nest0r Wrote:@pudding_cat - If you're using Stylish you can make it transparent and also change it from a word to just the small Firefox logo.That is true but the logo is orange. I like the button transparent as I really don't like orange.