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生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - socrat - 2011-06-01
Sounds native to me too Nuriko. I had a native JP speaker listen to it and she said she can still tell it's not native but pretty good. She said you make the same mistake I do when you say そういう そういう事. I can't tell the difference but the native speaker said to try to flatten the sound on そういう。
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Tori-kun - 2011-06-01
OMG! *offtopic* JETTYKE! You ***** sound like 燐君 from the anime 'Ao no Exorcist'!~ Wut. This voice is so cool. Srsly.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - jessui - 2011-06-02
Impressive Nuriko! It sounds like you have shadowed many a news program
I'd be interested to hear a more conversational response as well.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - fugu68 - 2011-06-02
zigmonty Wrote:Bit of a side track, but as a speaker of a minor dialect of english, i'd really rather foreign learners not try to imitate a particular english accent so closely (mainly because it's rarely mine lol). I see nothing wrong with a german having a german accent. I definitely don't see why him speaking with a british accent is better.I'd agree with this, providing the accent isn't so strong that it impedes comprehension. (And that's certainly not a problem with Tori-kun.) A slight foreign accent can sound really cool - I like French and Tagalog accents in English, for example. That said, it's reasonable to have some kind of standard to aim for, as a foreigner learner. If you've decided on British English, it probably has to be some fairly generic Standard Southern British - that's what the textbooks will teach, and trying to learn to actively produce anything else will be difficult and could cause you problems.
Getting exposure to a range of accents, and being able to understand them would be a big plus though.
Here's a recent popular poll of the UK's favourite accents:
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=158007257
Some nice examples of the second most popular accent in that survey (Geordie) can be heard here:
http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/case-studies/geordie/vowel-sounds/
zigmonty Wrote:We natives are comfortable understanding a huge variety of accents. We do, however, all speak with the same grammar rules, etc so mistakes there really stand out.There are some grammatical differences between dialects: use of the simple past versus present perfect. (e.g. "Did you eat yet?" is not OK in British English, but is in American English etc.) But errors like Tori-kun's "I am learning English since X years" stand out as non-native (interference from L1 in this case).
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - aphasiac - 2011-06-19
lol, this is a fun thread isn't it!!
Icecream - you sound like an anime character! exactly like i imagined you in fact..
Tori - your accent is good, better than most Germans I knew in UK. Your Japanese is ok too!
ta12121 - damn, wish I had a soeaking voice like yours..!
Sorry, nothing constructive to add except that.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - zigmonty - 2011-06-19
fugu68 Wrote:And Australian english is a weird mix of the two... plus our own quirks. Although i'd say "have you eaten yet?", "did you eat yet?" just sounds kinda american to me, rather than wrong. I probably wouldn't really react if an australian said it.zigmonty Wrote:We natives are comfortable understanding a huge variety of accents. We do, however, all speak with the same grammar rules, etc so mistakes there really stand out.There are some grammatical differences between dialects: use of the simple past versus present perfect. (e.g. "Did you eat yet?" is not OK in British English, but is in American English etc.) But errors like Tori-kun's "I am learning English since X years" stand out as non-native (interference from L1 in this case).
fugu68 Wrote:Getting exposure to a range of accents, and being able to understand them would be a big plus though.Yeah, the japanese people at work often struggle with our accent when they are first transferred here. Must be kinda demoralising to be brought up learning american english, and thinking you're pretty good, then coming here lol.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Nuriko - 2011-06-19
Oh haha, thanks everyone! I was surprised to see such good feedback regarding that recording. It's very motivating, I really appreciate it! Of course, I have a ton of accent issues to straighten out still, so I'll be continuing to work on that.
Also, it's been awhile since I've had a conversation in Japanese (probably half a year D: ), so I really should do as Icecream and Tori-kun have. Plus, it seems to be the most comfortable way to build conversation skills. I've been meaning to buy Living Japanese for the past two years or so now, but I usually wince at the price and decide to wait for it to go down. However, it seems like it won't anytime soon... maybe I'll just give in and buy it
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - thecite - 2011-06-19
zigmonty Wrote:Yeah, the japanese people at work often struggle with our accent when they are first transferred here. Must be kinda demoralising to be brought up learning american english, and thinking you're pretty good, then coming here lol.I have a Japanese friend who's learnt mostly American English, and she was explaining the woes of pronouncing "can't" in an Australian accent, which sounds pretty close to a certain other word
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - IceCream - 2011-06-20
looool like an anime character?!? ><
achhh i haven't done this in ages have i?? so much for every week... i will do some soon!!!
Nuriko, definitely, you should participate! If you don't want to buy the book, i will write the questions at the end of the chapter, so you can just go from there if you want...
Where did pm go?!? i hope he wasn't driven away by all the harsh criticism, and just forgot / has been lazy like me. Anyway, just for the record, i don't think you sound like you're 70 even a bit lol!!!
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - pm215 - 2011-06-20
No, I'm just being lazy, same as you :-)
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - kitakitsune - 2011-06-20
ta12121 Wrote:I'm still trying to get this to work but here's a very short audio of me reading. Yes I know my voice is low-toned and round(whatever that means)Late reply but I think you need to work on your Japanese r's.
http://chirb.it/22J3tF
ある日の事でございます
I'm recording some more. I'll post 2-3 more, but longer of course
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - kitakitsune - 2011-06-20
Like this - http://chirb.it/hfLcwA
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Tori-kun - 2011-06-20
kitakitsune Wrote:Like this - http://chirb.it/hfLcwAI'm far away of calling myself fluent in Japanese, but comparing how the syllables you used are pronounced by Japanese people from different medias and sources, I'd say - watch the Estonian 'U'/'Ü' sound.
Guess that would help a lot of people. Unfortunately, there is no 'ü' in English 
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Nuriko - 2011-06-29
I did it, I finally ordered 生きた日本語！ Lately I've been realizing how much I really need to improve my conversation skills, but I just get way too nervous talking to natives via voice chat on Skype. So, until I can feel more comfortable, I'll record the conversations that me, myself and I clumsily have together
Thanks again, Ice cream, for this idea!
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - thisiskyle - 2011-06-29
I, too, recently bought this book. It's still way beyond me though. I've been working for like a week and I'm still on the first interviewee. I could figure out everything from reading the transcript (except for some little phrases like いわゆる) but still miss things when listening even when I know what to expect. Maybe I'll shelf it for a while and come back later.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - pm215 - 2011-07-10
http://chirb.it/9tg5p1 -- chapter 2 Q1 (自分の住まいを紹介しましょう). Still the same lousy accent I'm afraid since I haven't actually done anything in that area, and only the chapter 2 warmup question, but I figured I'd post pour encourager les autres :-)
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - ta12121 - 2011-07-11
aphasiac Wrote:lol, this is a fun thread isn't it!!my voice isn't that good(personally, I think I sound horrible. Although it's hard to tell, since the way I hear myself speak is so much different than what other people here it is)
Icecream - you sound like an anime character! exactly like i imagined you in fact..
Tori - your accent is good, better than most Germans I knew in UK. Your Japanese is ok too!
ta12121 - damn, wish I had a soeaking voice like yours..!
Sorry, nothing constructive to add except that.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - ta12121 - 2011-07-11
kitakitsune Wrote:yea I know. It's always those R sounds that are the hardest in Jp. That and "TSU"ta12121 Wrote:I'm still trying to get this to work but here's a very short audio of me reading. Yes I know my voice is low-toned and round(whatever that means)Late reply but I think you need to work on your Japanese r's.
http://chirb.it/22J3tF
ある日の事でございます
I'm recording some more. I'll post 2-3 more, but longer of course
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Nuriko - 2011-07-11
pm215 Wrote:http://chirb.it/9tg5p1 -- chapter 2 Q1 (自分の住まいを紹介しましょう). Still the same lousy accent I'm afraid since I haven't actually done anything in that area, and only the chapter 2 warmup question, but I figured I'd post pour encourager les autres :-)Hey there,
I was listening to your "one-sided" conversations that you have on Chirbit, and wow, you have a really good control of what to say and how to say it. I can also feel that the expressions you use are very advanced. Your use of ”ではないかと" alone shows that your at a pretty high level. It's fairly easy to tell you are of British descent going by your accent, but I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. And in my opinion, it's certainly better than an American accent in Japanese (haha).
How I wish I could express myself as well as you do in Japanese!
Anyway, as soon as I finish the shadowing project I'm working on now, I plan to do some one-sided conversations as well.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - pm215 - 2011-07-11
Nuriko Wrote:I was listening to your "one-sided" conversations that you have on Chirbit, and wow, you have a really good control of what to say and how to say it. I can also feel that the expressions you use are very advanced. Your use of ”ではないかと" alone shows that your at a pretty high level.That's nice to hear, because it certainly doesn't much feel like it from this side :-) I do kind of compose my thoughts a bit beforehand, and this was the second recording attempt, so don't be fooled into thinking it's totally spontaneous.
(The "wow I suck at this" feeling is actually a pretty good indication that I should keep going; I think I just need to find some kind of practice in this area I can get into the habit of doing for 10-15 minutes a day, the same way I've got into the habit of reading and doing anki vocab review.)
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - IceCream - 2011-07-17
hey! cool, you did some more!! But yeah, i agree with Nuriko, pm. Even if you plan beforehand, your speaking is so fluid!!!
ok, i really should get going on this again. The main reason i've been so lazy is that my cd/dvd player on my laptop doesn't work, which means i have to use a real dvd player to watch the dvd, and it's annoying to manipulate the times and repeat things easily so i can never be bothered, basically.
anyway, i guess it's not so important, i can just read the book instead. So, i'll start again either today or tomorrow.
... i think i'm gonna work through it differently and do all the question 1's first, then go through the book again for question 2's, then again for question 3's, because the difficulty level between the questions varies so much...
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - pm215 - 2011-07-17
I'm not sure the 2s and 3s are that different, although certainly the q1s (especially in the early chapters) definitely seem like "warmup" easier questions. Some of the later chapters have more than 3 questions, for that matter.
(I've just noticed that in chapter 15 instead of questions we get 季節にふさわしい童謡または唱歌を選んで、その背景について調べ、みんなで歌いましょう ... definitely not going to inflict my inability to sing on you lot...)
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Tzadeck - 2011-07-27
I bought this book!
I just listened through the first chapter yesterday, and am going to review it a bit and then answer the questions. Though, I don't really know when I'll be able to record--my friend is staying with me and I would feel weird doing it with him here, haha. Though, he's got 狂言 rehersal every day, so maybe during that time.
And, of course, I'll post them here.
Last night I started going through this thread and I listened to IceCream's recording... what a surprising voice! It sounds sort of thoughtful and cute--and overall much closer to my inner-stereotype of a Japanese woman than a British woman.
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Nuriko - 2011-07-27
Good to hear that there's another person to join us! Actually, I shouldn't be saying "us" because I, myself, have barely even participated, even though I have my copy of the book/dvd...
I, too, plan on participating soon as well, though
生きた日本語 Living Japanese, speaking / writing practise - Rina - 2011-07-28
Please honest opinions
I hate my voice, does it sound like a normal voice to you?
http://chirb.it/H9EGbh (あゆの真似)
http://chirb.it/FM5ts1 (自己紹介)
This is the first time I'm gonna have some feedback on my spoken japanese.