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Anki reviews - vacation - Tori-kun - 2011-05-08
Hey folks,
I am just thinking what to do with my Anki reviews, which will pile up as hell, when I'm in Greece for vacation without any computer access for 14 days. Is there an option in Anki for such a thing? (Would be useful.)
I recognised that I cannot upload my big deck to Anki online, is there any option to review that deck anyway online somehow? (I have dropbox right now)
Anki reviews - vacation - overture2112 - 2011-05-09
Tori-kun Wrote:Hey folks,I wasn't aware anki's sync had a maximum deck size. Perhaps it's worth splitting your deck into multiple smaller decks?
I am just thinking what to do with my Anki reviews, which will pile up as hell, when I'm in Greece for vacation without any computer access for 14 days. Is there an option in Anki for such a thing? (Would be useful.)
I recognised that I cannot upload my big deck to Anki online, is there any option to review that deck anyway online somehow? (I have dropbox right now)
Also, no anki setting will change the fact that you're expected to forget material slightly after it's due (since that's sort of the point). Maybe you could cram in order to increase intervals for cards that would otherwise be due soon in order to reduce the problem when you get back.
That said, I'm not aware of Greece having regular EMP bursts or something that would prevent laptops/phones/etc with anki on them from working
Anki reviews - vacation - Tori-kun - 2011-05-10
phone: Nokia with Symbian^3 -> no anki available. Also I don't have internets on the mobile. That sucks.
laptop: too old, the puppy linux distribution I installed does not support Anki (duh). Also has no support for Japanese and no working internets.
I'm bucked up, seriously. 14 days without reviews *shrug*
Anki reviews - vacation - bebio - 2011-05-10
I had the same problem.
although this is not a perfect solution, what I did was, when returnning, I marked every answer as correct (furiously pressing the space button to validate and pass entries). then, after that, I went easy on myself for a while, marking a no on only the things I really had no idea. gradually I returned to the old method.
Anki reviews - vacation - KMDES - 2011-05-10
Suspend all?
Anki reviews - vacation - kerecsen - 2011-05-10
Actually, there is nothing you need to do. Let the reviews pile up, and when you get back from your vacation just start doing a predetermined number of reviews each day until the due count subsides.
I've recently had to skip two weeks of reviews, and afterwards I decided to do 200 reviews a day (and no new cards) to work off my substantial backlog (my normal rep count is 150-180/day). It took me another 10 or so days to get back to 0 due, but it wasn't a particularly stressful process.
In the catch-up period, it's also a good idea to mentally limit the time you spend trying to answer a card. If you can't figure it out in 15 seconds, just press 1 or bury it, and move on. You will have time to obsess with the difficult cards once your backlog is gone.
How big is your deck that you can't sync it to ankionline?
Anki reviews - vacation - NoSleepTilFluent - 2011-05-10
Decks can get big real quick. Kanji rtk1+3 + new joyo is 3030 core 6k is 6400. Ko2001 3400+. and the limit is around 12000 cards
Anki reviews - vacation - overture2112 - 2011-05-10
NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:Decks can get big real quick. Kanji rtk1+3 + new joyo is 3030 core 6k is 6400. Ko2001 3400+. and the limit is around 12000 cardsI'm guessing a lot of the anki sync server's storage is wasted with unused cards from those standard decks. You'll "eventually" need all them (plus they're useful when searching a deck for examples), so nobody wants to delete them and thus they sit there suspended. Bandwidth is also wasted whenever a full deck sync occurs and it has to sync those cards, too.
I wonder if there's a good way to get around that issue, like marking cards as long-term inactive and not to be synced, but that would probably be more irritating than just paying for a premium anki online service if one ever gets made.
Anki reviews - vacation - Tori-kun - 2011-05-10
kerecsen Wrote:How big is your deck that you can't sync it to ankionline?CORE6k - well, as the name says, about 6000 cards (plus audio = 300mb or something)
Anki reviews - vacation - rachels - 2011-05-11
Lots of discussion about this in old posts. There are some links in the Anki FAQ page, quoted below
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"1......... I’m going on holiday. Can I pause/freeze the scheduler?
If you take a break from using Anki for a few days, it can be quite demotivating to be faced with a large number of cards to review upon your return. It is very natural to want to pause the scheduler, so that you come back to find Anki in the same state as you left it. However, a pause feature would actually do more harm than good, as while it’s easy to pause a computer program, it’s impossible to pause human memory.
Consider taking a week long break, pausing the scheduler just before you leave and un-pausing just after you come back. Since the progress of all cards has been "frozen" for a week, a delay is applied to every card in the deck. In order to avoid catching up on the work you would have otherwise done during that time, you’re increasing the chances of forgetting cards for every single card in the deck. Not a great tradeoff.
Anki schedules cards for review close to the time it thinks you will forget them. If you come back from a vacation and find there are 200 cards to review, Anki is telling you that those 200 cards need to be reviewed soon or you’ll forget them. There is no way around this - the cards need to be studied or you’ll forget. The best thing you can do is put on some good music and get stuck into the reviews, motivated by the knowledge that your hard work will pay off in the future.
Note there is a postpone plugin available that reschedules the due cards over a specified number of days. It allows you to divide a large number of cards up over a period of days to work through, but you can accomplish the same thing by simply setting a quota of cards to study each day and studying them.
Anki works best if you can use it for a short period of time every day. Taking breaks means that you will inevitably have to do extra work when you return. The following tips can help you use Anki effectively:
1. Don’t add too much material at once. Studying a large number of new cards in one go creates spikes in the due cards graph. Anki sets the maximum number of new cards per day to 20. You’re free to change this limit, but bear in mind that the more cards you do per day, the more reviews you’ll have to do in the short term.
2. Consider doing no new cards in the week prior to your vacation, and only keeping up with your scheduled reviews.
3. Try to take Anki with you when you go away. Anki can be used on portable devices such as iPhones, PDAs, mobile phones etc.
This issue has been talked about many times on the forums already. Please read those threads instead of starting yet another discussion on the issue.
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http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=9890#pid9890
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http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/68a9d394333177e8
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http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/886c3c64a8238660
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http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/3043f479c0fd827
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http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=707&page=1
2.............. I haven’t studied for a while, and now the next due times are too big!
When you use Anki every day, each time a card is answered correctly, it gets a bigger interval. Let’s assume that good about doubles the interval. Thus you have a 5 day wait, then a 10 day wait, 20 days, 40 days, and so on.
When people return to their deck after weeks or months of no study, they’re often surprised by the length intervals have grown to. This is because Anki considers the actual time the card was unseen, not just the time it was scheduled for. Thus if the card was scheduled for 5 days but you didn’t study for a month, the next interval will be closer to 60 days than 10 days.
This is a good thing. If you have successfully remembered a card after a one month wait, chances are you’ll remember it again after a longer wait, too. The same principles which make SRS effective in normal use apply when you’re studying after a delay, too. It also makes little sense to schedule a card for 10 days in the future if you were able to easily answer it after a whole month’s wait - you’d be going backwards.
Resetting the deck is an even worse solution. When returning to a deck after a long absence, you may have forgotten many of your cards, but chances are you haven’t forgotten them all. Resetting the entire deck means you have to waste time studying material you already know.
Now you may find cards that you were able to recall, but not comfortably, since they were not reviewed when they should have been. To counter this, Anki treats the delay differently depending on your answer. If you find a card easy, the last interval plus the full delay are added together, and then used to calculate the next interval. When you answer good, only half the delay is used. And when you answer hard, only a quarter of the delay is used. So if a card was due in 5 days, and it’s answered 20 days late, the next times you’d end up with are approximately:
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Hard: (5 + 20/4) * 1.2 = 12 days
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Good: (5 + 20/2) * 2.5 = 37.5 days
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Easy: (5 + 20) * 3.25 = 81.25 days
(the factors will actually vary depending on your performance in the deck)
If you find a card hard, the next interval is quite conservative and is less than the last wait (25 days). If you find it good, the next interval is only about 50% higher. And easy increases the interval aggressively as usual.
So it is recommended that you study as normal when you return to Anki after a period of absence. But if you absolutely must reset the deck, you can select the cards to reset in the browser, and use Actions>Reschedule."
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This FAQ section (? written by Damien Elmes) mentions a 'postpone' plug-in. There is also a newer and probably better 'cheat' plugin - http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs- … fe0d76bef9
However, if you do the just catch up a bit each day thing, as Damien, kerecsen (above) and others suggest, you may find it psychologically helpful to turn off the display of cards due.
At the risk of sounding condescending, I think the most important thing is to HAVE A GOOD HOLIDAY. Learning Japanese is, after all, a pretty long-term project, a week or a month or 2 won't matter in the long run. People traditionally do take breaks from studying, and for good reason. Don't feel guilty or worried about it.
Anki reviews - vacation - TwoMoreCharacters - 2011-05-11
I think rachels has it spot on, pausing the deck ruins the program's purpose. Is it really gonna be unimaginably tough to deal with all the reviews after your two weeks?
rachels Wrote:http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/3043f479c0fd827Haha, funny to see that the guy who came both on here and on TJP starting disputes like...
http://thejapanesepage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8755&sid=c95ff782dd1d485e85f21a9cb871c207
and
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=2344&page=1
...even managed to be slightly rude against the developers of Anki.
Anki reviews - vacation - KMDES - 2011-05-11
Anki has never worked properly for me. It pretty much sets everything at 8 hours no matter what number I pressed. One time, it even started to give me the same cards again after 45 seconds when I'd press easy (15 seconds if I pressed hard). I really got sick of having 1000+ reviews per day. Of course once I got to the end of RTK, it was nearly impossible to keep up with the reviews. I was only adding like 15 cards a day and did it over 5 months or so. So yeah, I would say bad things about Anki too after having to deal with that. It's supposed to save time, not waste it. :/
Anki reviews - vacation - Tori-kun - 2011-05-11
rachels Wrote:At the risk of sounding condescending, I think the most important thing is to HAVE A GOOD HOLIDAY. Learning Japanese is, after all, a pretty long-term project, a week or a month or 2 won't matter in the long run. People traditionally do take breaks from studying, and for good reason. Don't feel guilty or worried about it.Well, with Japanese I had the experience I better not rest. Anki turned into a constant habit with me. If Anki tells me I have to do 5000 reviews, I will do them, no matter what. No matter how odd and how long it will take me, no matter if I will start sleeping in front of the screen, I will just do it. But that's not fun. I mostly use Anki because it's fun seeing how the number of left cards of the big CORE6k deck decrease day by day and it's fun to know more and more, day by day, which is profen when I open up a Japanese book (it seems Manga uses some special language at some point, which is colloquial and slangy. Suppose it needs an extra portion of "getting used to it". Perhaps even not my cup of tea?) and can read the sentences aloud, not 100%ly safe, but for studying Japanese on my own without a teacher pretty well and satisfying I think.
If I stopped for "holiday" and "rest" I would regret having destroyed my daily (!) learning environment in a brutal way and I wouldn't care about the rest and enjoyment I probably had in my holidays. (not at all.. how can I enjoy without Anki? Having done my daily reviews satisfies myself and I can't sleep at nights when some are left. - is that normal?)
Anki reviews - vacation - KMDES - 2011-05-11
If you had 5000 reviews i a 5000 card deck after been working on it for months, wouldn't you think there's something wrong with anki? I mean, sure some days you'll get high reviews if you're 1 or 2ing it, but would you blindly follow that if you've been 4ing it for months?
Anki reviews - vacation - astendra - 2011-05-11
Well, you can only do your best. If there's absolutely no way you can get access to Anki during holidays, beating yourself up over it would just be counter-productive.
Anki reviews - vacation - Tori-kun - 2011-05-11
KMDES Wrote:If you had 5000 reviews i a 5000 card deck after been working on it for months, wouldn't you think there's something wrong with anki? I mean, sure some days you'll get high reviews if you're 1 or 2ing it, but would you blindly follow that if you've been 4ing it for months?First, the point is I have more than just one Anki deck, heh. The second one is I had this experience after not doing anything with Anki for 4 weeks (long vacation and a stay at hospital, hm)
Anki reviews - vacation - KMDES - 2011-05-11
Man, if I had more than 1 deck besides RTK1 I would literally of had no time to do anything else but Anki. That includes sleep.
I probably couldn't do the reviews fast enough and start getting laped.
Anki reviews - vacation - overture2112 - 2011-05-11
KMDES Wrote:Man, if I had more than 1 deck besides RTK1 I would literally of had no time to do anything else but Anki. That includes sleep.What are your deck's interval settings and do you have per-day scheduling on? Maybe you accidentally set them to micro intervals or something because your first review for a new card should be ~8hrs/1day depending on if you're using per-day scheduling, and the intervals only get larger from there.
I probably couldn't do the reviews fast enough and start getting laped.
Anki reviews - vacation - rachels - 2011-05-14
I still say - relax, have a good holiday, try and have fun and come back to Japanese refreshed. However, if you are desperate to do some Japanese while you are away you could listen to mp3s. I personally find that I make the best progress when the balance of my learning veers somewhat away from anki and towards listening. Apart from your usual listening material, you could try opening your core deck, marking those cards that will be due while you are away and exporting them to a sub-deck. The sub-deck should just have media for those cards and if you listen to the example sentences you may find you remember the words better when you get back?
Anki reviews - vacation - Tori-kun - 2011-05-15
rachels Wrote:you could listen to mp3s.Good tip, thanks! I will definitely do that at least. I will get the Mondai Book for the old JLPT3 (Unicom) and get the e CDs on my MP3 player, going through them. Book looks neat as far as I could see it and the speakers speak at more natural speed than in Genki f.e., which could introduce me slowly to listening, right. Thanks one more time. Of course, I also will get myself into grammar. (all at once. Like with with core6k. Will shoot till N2, muhaha. Have 6 weeks hols.)