Child abuse in Japan?! - Printable Version

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Child abuse in Japan?! - bodhisamaya - 2011-01-24

thecite Wrote:There are things to love and hate about every culture,

I posted basically the same thing on one of his other videos. I live in Japan because I enjoy the positive cultural points more than the negative aspects bother me. Japan is not a Shangri-La by any stretch of the imagination, but it is slightly more to my tastes than what I had in Hawaii (I do miss the eternal springtime).

Child abuse in Japan?! - Tzadeck - 2011-01-24

thecite Wrote:I think it was the demoralising effect of war on the soldiers more than anything that contributed to them committing war crimes. Sure, bigotry played its role, but I don't think it's the cause. It happens to soldiers from every nation; the US did their fair share of raping and killing in WWII and Vietnam as well, but I wouldn't say that the large majority of the soldiers were nationalist bigots or anything. When you're constantly surrounded by atrocities and living with a mob mentality, it's pretty easy to imagine how you could become desensitised.

Edit: On a different note, it really annoys me how much denial there is over the Rape of Nanjing in Japan.

I mean, obsession with culture and pride certainly doesn't lead directly to war crimes. It's more like, obsession with culture and pride often leads to strong nationalism. Strong nationalism sometimes leads to militarism. An attitude of militarism sometimes leads to war. Every war includes war crimes of varying degrees.

War crimes are very removed from obsession with culture and pride, so much so that you couldn't really establish a particularly strong relationship. But, there is a very vague way in which they are related.

I also think that the type of strong national pride that leads to dehumanization of the enemy contributes to war crimes. The alleged superiority of your own nation infers the inferiority of the other, which infers the inferiority of its people.

Child abuse in Japan?! - thecite - 2011-01-24

Tzadeck Wrote:I also think that the type of strong national pride that leads to dehumanization of the enemy contributes to war crimes. The alleged superiority of your own nation infers the inferiority of the other, which infers the inferiority of its people.

Good point.

Child abuse in Japan?! - buonaparte - 2011-01-24

A good Chinese movie about the Nanking massacre:
Nanjing! Nanjing! (City of Life and Death) (2009)
http://forums.foriegnmoviesddl.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12745&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=Nanking

Child abuse in Japan?! - thecite - 2011-01-24

I would be somewhat skeptical about any Chinese dramatisation of the event (it could be completely accurate, I haven't seen the movie). The government uses the event to garner anti-Japanese sentiment to support their own agenda, and they continue to claim that 300, 000 people were killed, whereas there is no evidence to support such a high number of casualties.

I thought this documentary was also pretty good (it includes videoed confessions from Japanese soldiers who participated in the atrocities):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0893356/

Child abuse in Japan?! - Jarvik7 - 2011-01-24

A number of the photos etc at the nanking museum are fakes, out of context, completely unrelated to nanking, etc.

Very few non-right wing extremists deny it happened (I haven't met any), but many deny it happened to the extent that the Chinese claim, for good reasons.

Child abuse in Japan?! - bodhisamaya - 2011-01-24

There is no such thing as accurate history within China. Everything is part of the propaganda machine. Anyone who dares challenge the official account in a serious way will find himself no longer contributing carbon dioxide to the planet.

Child abuse in Japan?! - Yonosa - 2011-01-24

Social problems are the result of the social system, and our social systems are still extraordinarily primitive. Japan is no different. Watch this http://www.zeitgeistaddendum.com/
and then join the Zeitgeist Movement and wake the *$&# up.

Better yet watch this, it's more short and to the point for ya.

Child abuse in Japan?! - thecite - 2011-01-24

Yonosa Wrote:http://www.zeitgeistaddendum.com/
and then join the Zeitgeist Movement and wake the *$&# up.

I am an ex-TVP supporter (was never a supporter of TZM though, too many conspiracy theories for my liking). Upon greater analysis, and after reading different opinions, I now think that TVP is somewhat ridiculous. This will come as a laugh to some people after the big spiel I gave for TVP on this forum.

Child abuse in Japan?! - Asriel - 2011-01-24

The ideas are compelling, I suppose. I just don't see any of it ever happening.

I just got done watching that 2 hour movie thing. The thing they kind of breezed over was the whole -what would motivate people to do things- aspect of it. If we're supposed to build up all this technology to make work obsolete...who's going to make it? Maintain it?

Without money, "there will be other incentives -- the moon, the stars..." or something or other they said. Really now? If it weren't for the fact that I'd die without it, you can hardly ass me out to the grocery store on the weekends, much less design a 4,000 mph underwater floating tube-train.

Child abuse in Japan?! - Womacks23 - 2011-01-24

Jarvik7 Wrote:A number of the photos etc at the nanking museum are fakes, out of context, completely unrelated to nanking, etc.

Very few non-right wing extremists deny it happened (I haven't meant any), but many deny it happened to the extent that the Chinese claim, for good reasons.

There is a very popular train of thought in Japan that because China got caught faking photos of the Nanjing Massacre, that the entire thing did not happen.

See the bestselling status of 『南京事件「証拠写真」を検証する』 for evidence of that.
Or here http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070307a5.html

BTW Honda Katsuichi wrote an excellent book called "The Nanjing Massacre", which is based nearly entirely on the diaries of Japanese soldiers. And he received a lot of death threats when he published it too. It's a very touchy subject here.

Child abuse in Japan?! - thecite - 2011-01-24

Asriel Wrote:The ideas are compelling, I suppose. I just don't see any of it ever happening.

I just got done watching that 2 hour movie thing. The thing they kind of breezed over was the whole -what would motivate people to do things- aspect of it. If we're supposed to build up all this technology to make work obsolete...who's going to make it? Maintain it?

These days I tend to lean more towards anarchism/ increased democracy. I now think that human societies are such unimaginably complex things that any attempt to generically plan them out, such as TVP proposes, will fail miserably. There's actually a good book about why things like TVP have failed throughout modern history: 'Seeing Like a State' by James C. Scott. Of course, TVP is such a pipe dream that it will never even get close to any actual implementation, so we don't really need to worry about it.

As for the whole incentive thing; I don't know, I still tend to agree with TVP there. If you look back at some really democratic breakthroughs in modern history, like the Spanish Revolution, when the time called for it people banded together and all shared the workload, or the Kibbutz societies in Israel. Now it's true that we probably wouldn't have the same amount of technological development going on, but the question is, do we really need it? Isn't it alright to just let people live their lives happily without all of this stuff?

Child abuse in Japan?! - Tzadeck - 2011-01-24

Yonosa Wrote:Social problems are the result of the social system, and our social systems are still extraordinarily primitive. Japan is no different. Watch this http://www.zeitgeistaddendum.com/
and then join the Zeitgeist Movement and wake the *$&# up.

Better yet watch this, it's more short and to the point for ya.

The command 'wake up' is almost exclusively used by conspiracy theorists--and the more dramatic it's stated the more you can be sure that the person saying it is a conspiracy nut. It's probably not the best phrase to use to convince people to take your movement seriously. We don't live in John Carpenter's "They Live", so spare us the dramatics.

Child abuse in Japan?! - nest0r - 2011-01-24

Tzadeck Wrote:
Yonosa Wrote:Social problems are the result of the social system, and our social systems are still extraordinarily primitive. Japan is no different. Watch this http://www.zeitgeistaddendum.com/
and then join the Zeitgeist Movement and wake the *$&# up.

Better yet watch this, it's more short and to the point for ya.

The command 'wake up' is almost exclusively used by conspiracy theorists--and the more dramatic it's stated the more you can be sure that the person saying it is a conspiracy nut. It's probably not the best phrase to use to convince people to take your movement seriously. We don't live in John Carpenter's "They Live", so spare us the dramatics.

Yonosa's all outta bubblegum.

Child abuse in Japan?! - thecite - 2011-01-24

Tzadeck Wrote:It's probably not the best phrase to use to convince people to take your movement seriously. We don't live in John Carpenter's "They Live", so spare us the dramatics.

The term 'sheeple' is also very popular among TZM supporters; you can pretty much expect people to stop listening when you insult them with a silly term like that, used pretty much exclusively by CTs.

Child abuse in Japan?! - Tzadeck - 2011-01-25

nest0r Wrote:Yonosa's all outta bubblegum.

Child abuse in Japan?! - thecite - 2011-01-25

I just finished watching 'Zeitgeist: Moving Forward' which was released on the internet today, and it's certainly the best of the 3 films. Very few conspiracy theories this time and some very interesting interviews.