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When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - nohika - 2011-02-16
ta12121 Wrote:Well, I talk with her about it...and one of her good friends is learning too (she's not a weeaboo by any way, shape, or form). But 99% of her boyfriend's friends are and I just feel bad for her. They post it ALLLL over Facebook, too - 私の先生がすごいね！ was one girl's Facebook status for like two weeks and ALL of her friends complimented her on her "awesome Japanese".nohika Wrote:definitely agree lol. A lot of those people(no offense) are just weird. Don't get me wrong I like anime/manga a lot. But I almost never talk about it, I don't even tell people about me learning japaneseEvil_Dragon Wrote:Please keep in mind, that there are people out there who actually talk like this. Do you still think it's funny?Yes, my native Japanese friend is going to an anime convention with a hotel room of weeaboos (her boyfriend's friends). I feel for her, and am not getting within 50 miles of that room.
Well, I do..
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - ta12121 - 2011-02-16
nohika Wrote:lol I hear yea. I know a friend who's jp as well. And she knows a lot of people who like anime(weeaboos). But a lot of them aren't really "learning it".ta12121 Wrote:Well, I talk with her about it...and one of her good friends is learning too (she's not a weeaboo by any way, shape, or form). But 99% of her boyfriend's friends are and I just feel bad for her. They post it ALLLL over Facebook, too - 私の先生がすごいね！ was one girl's Facebook status for like two weeks and ALL of her friends complimented her on her "awesome Japanese".nohika Wrote:Yes, my native Japanese friend is going to an anime convention with a hotel room of weeaboos (her boyfriend's friends). I feel for her, and am not getting within 50 miles of that room.definitely agree lol. A lot of those people(no offense) are just weird. Don't get me wrong I like anime/manga a lot. But I almost never talk about it, I don't even tell people about me learning japanese
As for the saying her jp is awesome. lol, man I never over exaggerate my ability, but a lot of people claim I'm already fluent. But in my opinion I'm far from it. I will get there eventually, but I don't need praise. I just need more motivation and learning to do!
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - ta12121 - 2011-02-16
tokyostyle Wrote:Cool, that's what I like to hear!NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:When I become fluent I will just go around conversing with people and having fun. I don't intend to impress people with my Japanese. The way I see it after you're fluent you have the skill of everyone else in Japan. Not Particularly impressive..My friend and I were trying to buy snowboarding equipment today. So I went to this place I know and the guy that works there and we were all laughing it up as my friend was selecting his equipment and discussing the various bindings and all this and that. Then at some point another employee comes over and pretty much says, "Why the ***** do you guys speak such good Japanese?" Trust me there's no end to the weird reactions you get from people you are meeting for the first time.
Considering how often I've heard David Spector being referred to with the old 日本語が上手ですね I think the only way out of it is surgery.
Maybe that's why I'm getting back to studying and getting into books again. Books don't care about your kokuseki.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - aphasiac - 2011-02-16
nohika Wrote:Well, I talk with her about it...and one of her good friends is learning too (she's not a weeaboo by any way, shape, or form). But 99% of her boyfriend's friends are and I just feel bad for her. They post it ALLLL over Facebook, too - 私の先生がすごいね！ was one girl's Facebook status for like two weeks and ALL of her friends complimented her on her "awesome Japanese".Meh, I've never met a Japanese person who looks down on "weeaboo's". Quite the opposite, everyone one I've asked find it cool or at the very least amusing that foreigners are so into Japanese culture! Remember their youth cuture is extremely influenced by random Western trends, so they understand..
Of course I've met quite a few who say they hate anime/manga obsessed types, but then they also dislike Japanese otaku's too..so not really an issue of anti-weeabo's, more anti-geek.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - nohika - 2011-02-16
aphasiac Wrote:I don't really have much against anime/manga obsessed...it's just the people that come over when I'm reading manga and start speaking in a broken mix of Japanese and English and think they're the "shizz" that irritates me. It bothers my native friend, too - it's somewhat amusing, but it's painful for her to hear them butcher the language so badly. Plus they like to "show off" to her because she's a fluent native in America, homg. She used to be nice about it and now isn't quite so nice, since it's been driving her crazy for three months. Eh, it doesn't help she has negative patience for teaching languages.nohika Wrote:Well, I talk with her about it...and one of her good friends is learning too (she's not a weeaboo by any way, shape, or form). But 99% of her boyfriend's friends are and I just feel bad for her. They post it ALLLL over Facebook, too - 私の先生がすごいね！ was one girl's Facebook status for like two weeks and ALL of her friends complimented her on her "awesome Japanese".Meh, I've never met a Japanese person who looks down on "weeaboo's". Quite the opposite, everyone one I've asked find it cool or at the very least amusing that foreigners are so into Japanese culture! Remember their youth cuture is extremely influenced by random Western trends, so they understand..
Of course I've met quite a few who say they hate anime/manga obsessed types, but then they also dislike Japanese otaku's too..so not really an issue of anti-weeabo's, more anti-geek.
I mean, if they were showing signs of actually learning the language...then I'd be fine with it. But those that think they're the shizz because they know like ten words (neko, sugoi, kawaii, desu, etc), drive me crazy.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - gyuujuice - 2011-02-16
"lol, man I never over exaggerate my ability, but a lot of people claim I'm already fluent. But in my opinion I'm far from it."
Well see, many people think that being able to order coffee or basic conversations is "fluent". It's only people who study languages seriously that seem to have such high expectations.
Most of us here are above average, it seems to me anyway. Look at our goals and our theology of learning.
Many people have the mindset, oh I would have learned French if I took a class or I would have learned French if I went to France. People expect to have language taught to them -- yes it works theoretically but as adults we need to put in significant effort to replicate having a "language mom or dad".
Here we are studying the "hardest", "impossible" languages of the East. Yes, it's ridiculous that we get "上手ですね" or "Your'e Japanese is so good!" every four minutes but look at it this way: most people don't have the spirit and determination to learn a language on their own -- not to mention one so DRASTICALLY different. Many of them are sincere when they compliment you. I have friends who don't have the courage to speak in a foreign language and they say that's what impresses them about mine or someone else's Japanese.
In short: we are awesome!
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - ta12121 - 2011-02-16
gyuujuice Wrote:"lol, man I never over exaggerate my ability, but a lot of people claim I'm already fluent. But in my opinion I'm far from it."Sweet, that motivated me even more now. A lot of people said, if I was studying french instead of Japanese, I would have already gotten fluent by half the time it takes someone to learn Japanese to fluency. That may be true but I feel that, this language is the one I actually enjoy to do. I keep coming back for more learning,more studying,etc.
Well see, many people think that being able to order coffee or basic conversations is "fluent". It's only people who study languages seriously that seem to have such high expectations.
Most of us here are above average, it seems to me anyway. Look at our goals and our theology of learning.
Many people have the mindset, oh I would have learned French if I took a class or I would have learned French if I went to France. People expect to have language taught to them -- yes it works theoretically but as adults we need to put in significant effort to replicate having a "language mom or dad".
Here we are studying the "hardest", "impossible" languages of the East. Yes, it's ridiculous that we get "上手ですね" or "Your'e Japanese is so good!" every four minutes but look at it this way: most people don't have the spirit and determination to learn a language on their own -- not to mention one so DRASTICALLY different. Many of them are sincere when they compliment you. I have friends who don't have the courage to speak in a foreign language and they say that's what impresses them about mine or someone else's Japanese.
In short: we are awesome!
I guess when I compare myself to the average learner who puts in a few hours everyday. I usual put in the whole day if possible. Not much people are willing to do this, that I know. I remember when I took a level 1 Japanese course.A lot of the people had an initial interest but it all got destroyed after finding out how "hard" it is to learn japanese.
But here I am, enjoying it,studying it,reading it, listening to it,writing it. And I keep coming back for mre. This will eventually get me very far into the language,that I guarantee
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - gyuujuice - 2011-02-16
I agree. I just take out all factors of progress except:
Fun) Am I having fun? What can I do in this language that is fun?
-- if you are looking for something fun then you will automatically be motivated to study. I once forgot why I was studying Japanese and turned into this cramming machine -- take a few steps back and look at what you want to read, buy it and then have fun with it.
My goals are to be able to read books that I love -- I don't give a **** about any of those books or newspapers I don't even read in English. (I got the entire Narnia series. 8D)
I don't think about difficulty or any other concept of learning. All this "You will never be fluent/native" mumbo jumbo isn't important. Do I need to understand Shakespear to appreciate English literature? NO! I'm fine being "foreign" because isn't that native to me anyways?
I don't stress on that because I don't need to. Can I express myself to a Japanese person? Check. Can I read a newspaper? No. But I don't worry about it -- eventually when I have the urge I will take it on.
(COming from someone who is tackling 3-4 languages instead of one though)
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - ta12121 - 2011-02-16
3-4? jeez, that's going to take a while. I do have an interest for mandarin though. I've decided that I want to have Japanese/mandarin under my belt before the age of 30 (And English lol)
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - dizmox - 2011-02-16
aphasiac Wrote:Indeed, Japanese people are taken aback when you're an anime/manga fan but aren't obsessed with the big three shounen titles...nohika Wrote:Well, I talk with her about it...and one of her good friends is learning too (she's not a weeaboo by any way, shape, or form). But 99% of her boyfriend's friends are and I just feel bad for her. They post it ALLLL over Facebook, too - 私の先生がすごいね！ was one girl's Facebook status for like two weeks and ALL of her friends complimented her on her "awesome Japanese".Meh, I've never met a Japanese person who looks down on "weeaboo's". Quite the opposite, everyone one I've asked find it cool or at the very least amusing that foreigners are so into Japanese culture! Remember their youth cuture is extremely influenced by random Western trends, so they understand..
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - kainzero - 2011-02-16
nohika Wrote:I don't really have much against anime/manga obsessed...it's just the people that come over when I'm reading manga and start speaking in a broken mix of Japanese and English and think they're the "shizz" that irritates me.I remember when I was formally studying Japanese, I had an anime-obsessed friend who claimed he knew Japanese because he watched anime all the time. (A ridiculous amount btw. I'm talking like 5 shows per season.)
I mean, if they were showing signs of actually learning the language...then I'd be fine with it. But those that think they're the shizz because they know like ten words (neko, sugoi, kawaii, desu, etc), drive me crazy.
He had the gall to make fun of my pronunciation and kept saying I was "too formal." Every time I used it (and I used it very sparingly) I would always get made fun of.
But when he spoke, oh god, it was terrible. He misunderstood basic words, like 左。Thinking about it right now is actually making me really pissed off, hahah.
Japanese people though, they seem fascinated in anybody that's interested in Japanese for whatever reason. Maybe they're not used to seeing their culture spread at all.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - dizmox - 2011-02-16
kainzero Wrote:I remember when I was formally studying Japanese, I had an anime-obsessed friend who claimed he knew Japanese because he watched anime all the time. (A ridiculous amount btw. I'm talking like 5 shows per season.)That's a ridiculous amount? :/
I've known people (not super personally, but still) who watch all the shows per season (like 15-20+), I can't imagine why they do that.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - gdaxeman - 2011-02-16
dizmox Wrote:That's a ridiculous amount? :/Just to be boring, I'll comment on this with a scientific perspective: well, people can get obsessed with anything, be it anime, games, food, socializing, exercising, web forums, making money or anything else (that is, the activity can be either "good" or "bad" from other's point of view) — it's just a matter of the activity firing the right neurotransmitters and the person repeating the pattern consistently, consequently changing their brain and body chemistry, which can permanently affect how they perceive the activity (i.e., considering normal something that others think it's "too much" or "bizarre"). They then repeat the activity, either in small or large amounts, because they believe they will bring them again the pleasant feelings ("happiness") they've experienced, with the least amount of mental discomfort (which can come in the form of having to change one's pattern, experiencing things they're not used to, feeling too much of a beginner, etc.) Sometimes the activity they've chosen to satisfy the pleasure centers in their brains delivers again what they expect, other times not as much.
I've known people (not super personally, but still) who watch all the shows per season (like 15-20+), I can't imagine why they do that.
That being said, the case of these anime watchers is that they've probably experienced great feelings in the past when watching anime and not too much mental discomfort — a better ratio than when doing anything else —, so they've continued doing it, again and again. Maybe the activity doesn't bring them complete "happiness" anymore, but they experience too much mental pain when trying things that stimulate others' pleasure centers but not theirs, or things that others call "productive" but that they don't care about, so they continue watching a lot of anime, filling their days with it.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - Jarvik7 - 2011-02-16
The Japanese conversation club I helped run in university effectively banned otaku unless they shut up about their obsessions. Japanese people would stop coming if it was always someone constantly asking about Naruto.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - Gingerninja - 2011-02-16
Jarvik7 Wrote:The Japanese conversation club I helped run in university effectively banned otaku unless they shut up about their obsessions. Japanese people would stop coming if it was always someone constantly asking about Naruto.Our Japanese conversation club had a cosplay group turn up once, as if it wasn't awkward enough trying to find the balls to speak Japanese to natives at that point without sitting next to someone dressed as a gundam pilot.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - kainzero - 2011-02-16
dizmox Wrote:maybe my friend is more discerning, and substitutes those 10 shows with visual novels that are translated with that hooking program?kainzero Wrote:I remember when I was formally studying Japanese, I had an anime-obsessed friend who claimed he knew Japanese because he watched anime all the time. (A ridiculous amount btw. I'm talking like 5 shows per season.)That's a ridiculous amount? :/
I've known people (not super personally, but still) who watch all the shows per season (like 15-20+), I can't imagine why they do that.
speaking of freaks...
i went to a japanese conversation club at ucla and somehow let it slip that i like akb48.
oh boy, everyone laughed at me, both japanese and japanese learners.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - ta12121 - 2011-02-16
kainzero Wrote:loldizmox Wrote:maybe my friend is more discerning, and substitutes those 10 shows with visual novels that are translated with that hooking program?kainzero Wrote:I remember when I was formally studying Japanese, I had an anime-obsessed friend who claimed he knew Japanese because he watched anime all the time. (A ridiculous amount btw. I'm talking like 5 shows per season.)That's a ridiculous amount? :/
I've known people (not super personally, but still) who watch all the shows per season (like 15-20+), I can't imagine why they do that.
speaking of freaks...
i went to a japanese conversation club at ucla and somehow let it slip that i like akb48.
oh boy, everyone laughed at me, both japanese and japanese learners.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - Thora - 2011-02-16
...I shall join forums with Japanese members and inform them that their Japanese is "unnatural" and "incorrect". ;-)
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - gdaxeman - 2011-02-16
kainzero Wrote:i went to a japanese conversation club at ucla and somehow let it slip that i like akb48.Ah, the herd mentality, and the fear of being laughed at and secluded — that's why so many people fear making public what they really like when they believe it is not "acceptable" and end up complying with the group. I say there should be more people sharing their real interests, not adopting the group's intererests as being their own.
oh boy, everyone laughed at me, both japanese and japanese learners.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - gdaxeman - 2011-02-16
Thora Wrote:...I shall join forums with Japanese members and inform them that their Japanese is "unnatural" and "incorrect". ;-)YES! That is what this is all about!
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - nohika - 2011-02-16
Thora Wrote:...I shall join forums with Japanese members and inform them that their Japanese is "unnatural" and "incorrect". ;-)Why, I think you have a good mentor on these forums! He's such a good teacher, too, confusing those silly natives. ;-)
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - thecite - 2011-02-16
Well come on, akb48 *do* suck.
It's kinda like how Japanese/Chinese people on SharedTalk say their favourite western artists are Avril Lavigne, Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Hilary Duff etc.
You just *have* to laugh. I mean, all of those artists are running jokes in the west.
I find Japanophiles rather odd. Probably because I have no particular interest in manga, anime, video games etc, and because I don't love any single culture obsessively.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - Aijin - 2011-02-16
Thora Wrote:...I shall join forums with Japanese members and inform them that their Japanese is "unnatural" and "incorrect". ;-)I was tutoring someone recently that did this to me, and it was indescribably irritating. He is in elementary Japanese, and tried to correct me on using ある for an animate object in a sentence because his textbook and teacher, naturally, taught him いる = animate ある = inanimate. I tried to explain that that's the explanation used to teach complete beginners because teaching them exceptions and the finer details of usage would just be unnecessary at that stage and end up confusing them, but he would have none of it. Ended up arguing about it for nearly half an hour before just giving up in sheer frustration.
Evidently my entire life experience is trivial compared to the erudition gained from a few weeks of Japanese classes. Hum de dum.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - thecite - 2011-02-16
I think you and Iryoku ought to meet.
When You Become Fluent In Japanese.... - Tzadeck - 2011-02-17
kainzero Wrote:i went to a japanese conversation club at ucla and somehow let it slip that i like akb48.Fun fact! The UCLA Medical Center gave Tadamasa Goto, a yakuza boss, a liver transplant in 2001. It was a bribe basically--he donated $100,000 to the medical center. He got into the country by selling out some other mobsters to the FBI.
oh boy, everyone laughed at me, both japanese and japanese learners.
UCLA--giving liver transplants to Japanese mob bosses rather than upstanding US citizens since 2001!
Goto had more than 15 people killed and made a lot of money kidnapping women and forcing them to be sex slaves. He also was probably the person who ordered the killing of Juzo Itami, who was a great director. Itami's death was labeled a suicide.