Bokusenou Wrote:Lingoes is pretty good, I have 明鏡 and 新明解 on mine, Stardict seems to be pretty popular, but I haven't found decent dictionaries for it, the most Mac-like stand-alone dictionary software you're going to find is probably Kenkyusha's New College Dictionary but for sheer portability I always recommend EPWING readers.

nest0r Wrote:

Bokusenou Wrote:Lingoes is pretty good, I have 明鏡 and 新明解 on mine, Stardict seems to be pretty popular, but I haven't found decent dictionaries for it, the most Mac-like stand-alone dictionary software you're going to find is probably Kenkyusha's New College Dictionary but for sheer portability I always recommend EPWING readers.

Never heard of Lingoes, but those two are for Stardict too. Genius and Edict are great in Stardict also.

Edit: Looks like Lingoes is browser only? No wonder I never heard of it. ;p

Bokusenou Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:

Bokusenou Wrote:Lingoes is pretty good, I have 明鏡 and 新明解 on mine, Stardict seems to be pretty popular, but I haven't found decent dictionaries for it, the most Mac-like stand-alone dictionary software you're going to find is probably Kenkyusha's New College Dictionary but for sheer portability I always recommend EPWING readers.

Never heard of Lingoes, but those two are for Stardict too. Genius and Edict are great in Stardict also.

Edit: Looks like Lingoes is browser only? No wonder I never heard of it. ;p

Lingoes is downloadable software, like Stardict.

nest0r Wrote:Is it like Stardict or is it browser-only? All the screenshots show it only being used in the browser.

By the way after adding 200000 dictionaries to Stardict I was unsatisfied with the pop-up definition speed, then noticed I had somehow forgotten to disable network dictionaries. Much faster now (since it had been lagging as it contacted and loaded online dictionaries).

Bokusenou Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:Is it like Stardict or is it browser-only? All the screenshots show it only being used in the browser.

By the way after adding 200000 dictionaries to Stardict I was unsatisfied with the pop-up definition speed, then noticed I had somehow forgotten to disable network dictionaries. Much faster now (since it had been lagging as it contacted and loaded online dictionaries).

It's like Stardict. It also has a Rikaichan-like functionality which can be used inside browsers...the software has a sort of browser-like look to it too I guess.

nest0r Wrote:How do I get stuff to pop-up definitions in a floating window like Stardict and Rikaichan when I'm using Lingoes? I only see the option to bring up a search window.

For instance, I'm in UltraEdit, and I want to compare Lingoes' pop-up to Stardict's. I put the mouse cursor over the text in Ultraedit and... nothing happens in Lingoes, but the definition pops up in Stardict.

Is it possible that when I said 'browser only' vs. 'like Stardict' we had our wires crossed? I mean a pop-up in a floating window based on where the cursor is over text, but not just in the browser, in any program, unlike Rikaichan which only does this in browsers.

Or maybe we meant the same thing and I'm missing the option in Lingoes. It looks very similar to Stardict except without floating window/pop-up options, which is throwing me off.

Bokusenou Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:How do I get stuff to pop-up definitions in a floating window like Stardict and Rikaichan when I'm using Lingoes? I only see the option to bring up a search window.

For instance, I'm in UltraEdit, and I want to compare Lingoes' pop-up to Stardict's. I put the mouse cursor over the text in Ultraedit and... nothing happens in Lingoes, but the definition pops up in Stardict.

Is it possible that when I said 'browser only' vs. 'like Stardict' we had our wires crossed? I mean a pop-up in a floating window based on where the cursor is over text, but not just in the browser, in any program, unlike Rikaichan which only does this in browsers.

Or maybe we meant the same thing and I'm missing the option in Lingoes. It looks very similar to Stardict except without floating window/pop-up options, which is throwing me off.

Go under Configuration > Text Capture, it should have right mouse button + ctrl as the text capture keys by default, change them if you like. Also go to Dictionaries > Text Capture Group to make sure there are the dictionaries you want there. To use text capture, select the word and then press right mouse button + ctrl (or whatever the text capture keys are set to). It doesn't have the popup window come up automatically like Rikaichan, but I prefer that, since it's less easy to get lazy and have it translate every word. For some reason the Rikaichan-like function works in some programs (Firefox, Komodo Edit, EBwin, etc) but not in others (Open Office), but I could never get that function to work in Stardict at all so I'm happy with it.

Here are the direct links to the Japanese Lingoes dictionaries I use (copied from the Lingoes site):
Meikyo
ShinMeikai
My Pedia Encylopedia
Genius J-E
Genius E-J
Japanese Encyclopedia

nest0r Wrote:

Bokusenou Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:How do I get stuff to pop-up definitions in a floating window like Stardict and Rikaichan when I'm using Lingoes? I only see the option to bring up a search window.

For instance, I'm in UltraEdit, and I want to compare Lingoes' pop-up to Stardict's. I put the mouse cursor over the text in Ultraedit and... nothing happens in Lingoes, but the definition pops up in Stardict.

Is it possible that when I said 'browser only' vs. 'like Stardict' we had our wires crossed? I mean a pop-up in a floating window based on where the cursor is over text, but not just in the browser, in any program, unlike Rikaichan which only does this in browsers.

Or maybe we meant the same thing and I'm missing the option in Lingoes. It looks very similar to Stardict except without floating window/pop-up options, which is throwing me off.

Go under Configuration > Text Capture, it should have right mouse button + ctrl as the text capture keys by default, change them if you like. Also go to Dictionaries > Text Capture Group to make sure there are the dictionaries you want there. To use text capture, select the word and then press right mouse button + ctrl (or whatever the text capture keys are set to). It doesn't have the popup window come up automatically like Rikaichan, but I prefer that, since it's less easy to get lazy and have it translate every word. For some reason the Rikaichan-like function works in some programs (Firefox, Komodo Edit, EBwin, etc) but not in others (Open Office), but I could never get that function to work in Stardict at all so I'm happy with it.

Here are the direct links to the Japanese Lingoes dictionaries I use (copied from the Lingoes site):
Meikyo
ShinMeikai
My Pedia Encylopedia
Genius J-E
Genius E-J
Japanese Encyclopedia

Thanks for the Lingoes-formatted links. So text capture w/ a Rikaichan-like pop-up definition does work outside of Firefox, like Stardict (depending on the program)?

I'll check it out and see if that works how I want/changes the workflow to something I prefer. I also only use Stardict's pop-ups outside the browser for specific, infrequent words (via clipboard scanning hotkey).

thermal Wrote:Thanks guys.

Looks like Kenkyusha's New College Dictionary doesn't have a j-j dictionary which is mainly what I want.

I will try lingoes and stardict.

thermal Wrote:Ok, Lingoes is not bad. Enter in words and the definitions appear. You can see the index on the left which is nice. There is no click through on words in the definition, so drilling down on words you don't know is a bit troublesome. Also the back and forward buttons only work when doing a search, but it keeps pulling you back to the browse/index section. This also seems a bit broken. Searching for some words brings up results in search but not in browse.

Does StarDict have any j-j dictionaries? Can only see j-e ones on the site.

thermal Wrote:Also, what is a good epwing reader for windows?

nest0r Wrote:I quite like Lingoes. For the automatic pop-up to work you just uncheck the ctrl/alt/shift boxes and set it to 'mouse over'. I think I might use Lingoes now because it has a few more options for the pop-ups, plus I like that you can use mouse w/ hotkeys for text capture. Using ALT+Right Mouse Click at the moment.

I guess StarDict is still best for Open Office and anything else Lingoes doesn't work for, since you can do clipboard scanning w/ hotkey to get the pop-up. Lingoes has clipboard scanning also but it seems to be automatic rather than toggled w/ hotkey?

Edit: Nevermind, clipboard scanning hotkey's in... 'Hotkeys' tab. ;p Default is Alt + B. So Lingoes works in OpenOffice Writer in that sense, same as Stardict (you'd have to copy it then hit hotkey).

Bokusenou Wrote:@nest0r へえ、凄い！　I don't have a laptop because I prefer working on desktop computers (bigger keyboard, bigger screen, more power for less money, etc), but this could be really useful for laptop users!

nest0r Wrote:Laptops - perfect-sized screen and keyboard, compact form factor, very little if any difference in power for cost vs. a desktop, while being much more convenient. Get yourself an Asus G73 and lose the desktop.

Oh right, let myself get sidetracked by that comment I missed. I believe I already learned in another thread that I'm outnumbered regarding this issue by those who are... unreconstructed.

Where was I? Oh yes, if one theoretically had a Japanese TTS voice engine installed on their computer, Lingoes would work very well with it! I didn't notice this. Far superior to StarDict's implementation.