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2011 JLPT study thread - kainzero - 2011-03-18
So I took the sample N3 test on the jlpt.jp site...
I aced all the reading questions, but failed all the listening questions!
What's a good way to catch up on this? Especially since I'm trying to go for N2/N1 in December...
2011 JLPT study thread - ta12121 - 2011-03-18
kainzero Wrote:So I took the sample N3 test on the jlpt.jp site...keep listening/follow transcripts/srs a study pace. Sounds simply I know, but it is that simple!
I aced all the reading questions, but failed all the listening questions!
What's a good way to catch up on this? Especially since I'm trying to go for N2/N1 in December...
I'd say using the transcripts/audio is key for this.
2011 JLPT study thread - caivano - 2011-03-18
do all of the old jlpt listenings, a lot of the questions follow similar patterns so its pretty easy to get the hang of them.
2011 JLPT study thread - ta12121 - 2011-03-18
caivano Wrote:do all of the old jlpt listenings, a lot of the questions follow similar patterns so its pretty easy to get the hang of them.exactly plus listen to anything you like in general. News,podcasts,talk-shows. All this will help, no matter what
2011 JLPT study thread - fakewookie - 2011-03-19
keys84 Wrote:"Bare safe" just means really safe. Using "bare" to mean "very" or "a lot of" is pretty common among certain types of young people in the part of England I'm from (the south east). It's not really a style of speaking you want to be associated with though.ta12121 Wrote:Sweet as a nutKMDES Wrote:Defintely not Canadian English...the last one doesn't make sense to me for some reason. It does and it doesn't at times lol
safe as houses
bare safe ?
The bare means many or lots of, so I would think (only a guess) it is something like there is so many they are bare for all to see??
Also, since when can you take JLPT in summer in the UK? Bah, do I do it or not? £70...
2011 JLPT study thread - pudding cat - 2011-03-22
I got my email from SOAS saying 'here is your candidate number', and there were links to where to go to pay the fee and where to print off the test voucher. Except they're not links at all! The words are just underlined in blue... Thanks SOAS.
EDIT: It also addresses me as "Dear JLTP Applicant".
2011 JLPT study thread - dizmox - 2011-03-22
Quote:It also addresses me as "Dear JLTP Applicant".Stay classy, SOAS.
It says on mine:
Payments can be made online by clicking here http://store.soas.ac.uk/browse/product.asp?catid=28&modid=1&compid=1 or visiting http://store.soas.ac.uk and navigating to Japanese under the Language Centre menu. When paying online please quote your candidate number when asked for student number.
2011 JLPT study thread - pudding cat - 2011-03-22
SOAS resent the email with working links this time but they added a helpful sentence to the top.
"Please try to click on the underlined and blue part and then link will come out."
2011 JLPT study thread - dizmox - 2011-03-23
I paid the £70 like they asked, hopefully there won't be any slipups with the new system. :/
Printing out the test voucher and finding a picture to use is a pain
2011 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2011-03-23
Well, at least this way those of us taking it from abroad don't have to worry about vouchers showing up in the mail before we head to London.
Other than finding it odd from a security standpoint, I'm not going to complain about it. (Much, anyway.) Just got to find a 3cm x 3cm photo. Maybe I can then have it turned into a stamp for my own country.
2011 JLPT study thread - pudding cat - 2011-03-23
I find the "whole photo required on test voucher" thing a bit odd. I mean you're meant to take photo ID with you and last time I went they never even collected in the test voucher. I didn't really see the point....
2011 JLPT study thread - Javizy - 2011-03-23
I still can't find any past papers for N1. I was hoping to get all of them since 2000 and do a couple a week, but that's looking a bit doubtful. I still haven't taken a full exam under timed conditions, so I have no idea what score I'd get.
2011 JLPT study thread - ta12121 - 2011-03-23
Javizy Wrote:I still can't find any past papers for N1. I was hoping to get all of them since 2000 and do a couple a week, but that's looking a bit doubtful. I still haven't taken a full exam under timed conditions, so I have no idea what score I'd get.there was a site, just let me see if I can find it. It included all tests up till like 2006-2008 I think from back all the way to the 1990's
2011 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2011-03-23
Wasn't there a Vietnamese site or something? Somethingorother.vn? It's in the 2010 JLPT thread, I know, because I posted it there.
2011 JLPT study thread - Javizy - 2011-03-28
Somebody sent me a bunch dating back to 2000 or so, but only one for each year and they're littered with mistakes. Anyway, I managed to get through the 2005 one.
文字・語彙： 60/65 92%
聴解： 19/30 63%
読解： 17/24 71%
文法： 57/59 96%
Pretty obvious what I need to work on. I'd like to blame the crappy audio quality, but my concentration is terrible. I could've got 100% on the grammar if I knew that ともすれば meant 'apt to' and I could spot the difference between て and ず...
Anybody got any reading recommendations to help prepare for the test? Like the kind of essays that appear. The questions on economics and science kill me.
And what about the average? Would I get 80%, or is it weighted somehow? And do you need to get a certain percentage for each section?
2011 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2011-03-28
Oh, that reminds me: here's the website that has the 1991-2006 JLPT tests, old 1級-4級. It's not .vn after all. My brain seems to be rotting.
http://www.ngoilaibennhau.net/jatest/index_4.php
2011 JLPT study thread - ta12121 - 2011-03-28
rich_f Wrote:Oh, that reminds me: here's the website that has the 1991-2006 JLPT tests, old 1級-4級. It's not .vn after all. My brain seems to be rotting.that's the one i was looking for
http://www.ngoilaibennhau.net/jatest/index_4.php
2011 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2011-03-28
Javizy Wrote:Somebody sent me a bunch dating back to 2000 or so, but only one for each year and they're littered with mistakes. Anyway, I managed to get through the 2005 one.For the old-style JLPTs like this one, the weighting is fairly straightforward:
文字・語彙： 60/65 92%
聴解： 19/30 63%
読解： 17/24 71%
文法： 57/59 96%
And what about the average? Would I get 80%, or is it weighted somehow? And do you need to get a certain percentage for each section?
文字・語彙 questions : the kanji questions are 1 point each, the vocabulary questions are 2 points each. Add them up and scale up to give a score out of 100 for the whole paper (eg if there are 90 points available then divide your score by 90 then multiply by 100).
聴解 questions are one point each, scale up to give a score out of 100 for the paper.
読解 questions are 5 points each; 文法 questions are 2 points each; add them up and then scale to give a score of 200 (two hundred) for the paper.
Add the scaled scores to give a score out of 400 for the entire test.
You'll notice that this scoring system gives quite a high weighting to the reading section, since questions there are worth more points in a paper which is weighted to be half the overall score.
The other important thing to remark is that if you weren't holding yourself strictly to the time limits for the papers then you can't really compare your scores to the passing marks, because part of the difficulty of JLPT1 and 2 is that the time limits are effectively testing whether you can read and answer grammar questions *quickly*.
The new-style tests are completely different and appear to be scored via a rather opaque process that supposedly involves awarding more points for questions which not very many people got right. There is a per-paper minimum mark required but thus far it seems to have been set so low as to not be an issue.
2011 JLPT study thread - mezbup - 2011-03-28
I have my test voucher for N1 JULY. It's on.
Who's gonna pass it with my this time round? I'm reading novels, academic books and wikipedia like there's no tomorrow. Also trying to get through a drama per week (or every two weeks) and listen to several hours of music per day.
Even though I'm at uni full time now (well, yobikou) I've picked up the pace!
2011 JLPT study thread - Javizy - 2011-03-29
rich_f Wrote:Oh, that reminds me: here's the website that has the 1991-2006 JLPT tests, old 1級-4級. It's not .vn after all. My brain seems to be rotting.Sweet as.
http://www.ngoilaibennhau.net/jatest/index_4.php
pm215 Wrote:infoThanks for the info. I timed myself when I did it. The 文字・語彙 section only took 20 minutes even though they allow you 45. I'm glad the grammar is with the reading too, because it takes less than 10 minutes, so the rest of the 90 is freed up for the reading. It took me about 75 minutes altogether, so hopefully I have 10-15 minutes for checking during the real deal.
The other important thing to remark is that if you weren't holding yourself strictly to the time limits for the papers then you can't really compare your scores to the passing marks, because part of the difficulty of JLPT1 and 2 is that the time limits are effectively testing whether you can read and answer grammar questions *quickly*.
The new-style tests are completely different and appear to be scored via a rather opaque process that supposedly involves awarding more points for questions which not very many people got right. There is a per-paper minimum mark required but thus far it seems to have been set so low as to not be an issue.
I guess I can use Wikipedia for some science and economics articles. I might pop to Piccadilly and pick up some free magazines like 週刊ジャーニー or whatever it's called. Those articles seem to be a bit more in-depth than the rigid reporting style of NHK, 共同 etc that makes Japanese news so boring.
2011 JLPT study thread - Javizy - 2011-03-29
Am I reading this section right? 19/60 to pass a section and 100/180 to pass the test!? I was worried about 63% for the listening when you only need 32% to pass it... I'm guessing the new style test is a bit tougher, otherwise that seems pretty lenient.
Also, the grammar isn't with the reading anymore, so I can forget most of what I said in my previous post :/
2011 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2011-03-29
With the new test, time management is the most important bit. And the grammar questions aren't quite the same. Check the example questions on jlpt.jp to get an idea.
Oh yeah, the whole new pass requirements make the test sound like a breeze, but it still feels pretty random. You need to be better than the requirements for the exam to pass it, IMO, to take out the hard test "gotcha" factor.
I found the N2 July test online (some random Chinese site), and didn't have any problems with it, but when I took the actual test in December, it was much harder for some reason or another. The pass rates for the N2 are on wikipedia, and you can see that I wasn't the only person to experience that phenomenon.
2011 JLPT study thread - Javizy - 2011-03-29
Yeah, I'm aiming for the best score I can get rather than a pass, so I don't want to underestimate it.
As for reading practice, my friend recommended trying a センター試験 国語 exam. You can get a taste here and this site has loads of useful stuff, including past papers, answers + explanation and even some video lectures for the past 10 years worth of exams.
2011 JLPT study thread - mutley - 2011-03-29
With the score scaling system on the new tests it's impossible to work out if you've passed just from raw % marks, but overall the passing difficulty should be about the same as the old tests. Just aim for the best score you can and don't worry too much about the pass boundary.
I quite liked having all the written sections together as it gave a bit more time flexibility, but it was pretty mentally tiring going for so long without a break. I had about 10 mins left for checking but there were quite a few people in my exam that ran well short of time.
Also be careful of some slightly new question types. For example in the listening there was one section where you had to choose a correct reponse to what had been said before i.e. building a conversation. There were also a couple of questions where you listened to the audio first before being told the question (although to balance out the difficulty of this the questions in that section were pretty simple)
2011 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2011-03-29
The one that threw me off was the very last listening question type-- there was an announcement about sections of an amusement park, which I was all over, then there was a pause, then suddenly a couple starts discussing about where they want to go in the amusement park, and for some reason, it threw me off and I just flaked on it. I had assumed that the questions would be about the announcement... so when the conversation continued, my brain just missed a gear and I missed a chunk of the conversation.
D'oh.
And the biggest killer for me in the reading section was lack of vocab. So I'm working on that.
Unfamiliarity with the questions also dragged down my speed. So I do at least one reading drill a day now, with a selection and reading comp questions, so I get used to playing "find the football." I wasted so much time on the reading section that I couldn't finish it properly.