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Breaking into Advanced Grammar - Cosign - 2010-09-30

I've read Tae Kim's.

Unfortunately as I have progressed further along, I have found that Tae Kim's alone is insufficient. I am having lots of trouble with all the uses of particles apart from those specified in Tae Kim's.

Does anyone know a book or online resource that would give me a more solid understanding of all the various uses of particles or of grammar in general?

I've mostly been relying on the Yahoo JP dictionary but sometimes it is unclear.
E.g., The definition of なりと completely escapes me from studying these examples.
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?p=%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8A%E3%81%A8&dtype=3


Thank you

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - FooSoft - 2010-09-30

Dictionary of Beginning/Intermediate/Advanced Grammar series is amazing and you should get it Smile

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - ta12121 - 2010-09-30

Examples,examples and more examples!

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - ta12121 - 2010-09-30

FooSoft Wrote:Dictionary of Beginning/Intermediate/Advanced Grammar series is amazing and you should get it Smile
i plan to get all these books this year(wonder if there is some bundle for all of them)

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - Asriel - 2010-09-30

I definitely second the dictionaries of Japanese grammar. Knd of pricey for the whole set, but definitely an excellent resource.

Those two teamed up with the kanzen master or どんな時どう使う books should be good enough to get you pretty far.

If you're looking towards textbooks, then I would take a look at An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. It's nice because all the vocab and grammar is touched upon in the readings, practice problems, etc. I used it for my 2nd year Japanese class (and actually had the author teaching me) so I'm not sure how it would he for self study.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - Bokusenou - 2010-09-30

I third the recommendation for the dictionaries of Japanese grammar series,
but looking in a kokugo dictionary, instead of an 英和 one, helps as well.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - harhol - 2010-09-30

DBJG/DIJG/DAJG
All About Particles

All are easily obtainable via Google pdf searches if you want to, um, try before you buy.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - mygbmygb - 2010-09-30

Asriel Wrote:I definitely second the dictionaries of Japanese grammar. Knd of pricey for the whole set, but definitely an excellent resource.

Those two teamed up with the kanzen master or どんな時どう使う books should be good enough to get you pretty far.

If you're looking towards textbooks, then I would take a look at An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. It's nice because all the vocab and grammar is touched upon in the readings, practice problems, etc. I used it for my 2nd year Japanese class (and actually had the author teaching me) so I'm not sure how it would he for self study.
kanzen and donna toki dou tsukau, where can I buy these. I found only amazon.jp.. any other places?

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - genini1 - 2010-09-30

I rather like the book at http://www.nihongoresources.com/, it's free to read online. The only down side is that the explanations are a bit technical and dry.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - Aijin - 2010-09-30

Asriel Wrote:I definitely second the dictionaries of Japanese grammar. Knd of pricey for the whole set, but definitely an excellent resource.

Those two teamed up with the kanzen master or どんな時どう使う books should be good enough to get you pretty far.

If you're looking towards textbooks, then I would take a look at An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. It's nice because all the vocab and grammar is touched upon in the readings, practice problems, etc. I used it for my 2nd year Japanese class (and actually had the author teaching me) so I'm not sure how it would he for self study.
While I think "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese," is a great textbook, and have always used it for intermediate students in the past, recently I've started using Tobira instead. I've been meaning to post a review about it here since it's a pretty new textbook, but never got around to it. "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese," will work just fine of course, but anyone looking for an intermediate textbook should really check out Tobira.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - vileru - 2010-09-30

harhol Wrote:DBJG/DIJG/DAJG
All About Particles

All are easily obtainable via Google pdf searches if you want to, um, try before you buy.
Seconded!!! I use "All About Particles" for a quick and dirty refresher when I'm reading and I don't want to be bothered by the bulky and verbose DofJG books. I later reference the DofJG books for more examples and in-depth explanations. They work together like a wine nicely paired with a dish. One makes the other better.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - mezbup - 2010-09-30

Dont forget you can DL the DoJG Anki deck! Use it on its own or as an accompaniment to the books.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - sikieiki - 2010-09-30

mezbup Wrote:Dont forget you can DL the DoJG Anki deck! Use it on its own or as an accompaniment to the books.
Not exactly sure how you use a deck of 9000 grammar points without going insane

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - Asriel - 2010-09-30

@mygbmygb -- I wish I knew, because I'd like to get some more of the 1Q books, but I came back to America... I just picked them up at my university's bookstore...

@Aijin -- Tobira? Sorry, I've never heard of it. I just recommend IJ to people because I used it and enjoyed it. I'm sure there are other good books too, but I've only used Genki and IJ in terms of textbooks.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - mezbup - 2010-09-30

sikieiki Wrote:
mezbup Wrote:Dont forget you can DL the DoJG Anki deck! Use it on its own or as an accompaniment to the books.
Not exactly sure how you use a deck of 9000 grammar points without going insane
I use it as a searchable database of grammar. When I did my JLPT2 grammar study I got a list of the grammar and just searched the deck for all of the sentences containing them and unsuspended as I went.

I'm doing the same for my JLPT1 grammar study atm but some of the rarer stuff isn't in there Sad

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - Cosign - 2010-10-01

Thanks for the response.

For now, I've settled for this page:
http://grammar.nihongoresources.com/doku.php?id=particles

Massively awesome library of all particles and it even has English introductions to them.

Breaking into Advanced Grammar - vinniram - 2010-10-01

mezbup Wrote:
sikieiki Wrote:
mezbup Wrote:Dont forget you can DL the DoJG Anki deck! Use it on its own or as an accompaniment to the books.
Not exactly sure how you use a deck of 9000 grammar points without going insane
I use it as a searchable database of grammar. When I did my JLPT2 grammar study I got a list of the grammar and just searched the deck for all of the sentences containing them and unsuspended as I went.

I'm doing the same for my JLPT1 grammar study atm but some of the rarer stuff isn't in there Sad
Ah, is it true that there are things covered in the Kanzen Master series which are not covered by DO*JG series?