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memorizing or learning ? - ta12121 - 2010-08-24
meredithcat Wrote:yea, for me what I do is that, I read outside,immersion,etc.These are also other factors for learning/memorize. Because once I see it when I'm reading/immersing. It usual sticks, and once I see it again in anki, then it sticks into my long-term memory.ta12121 Wrote:I've learned through experience is that, you need to memorize in order to learn. Once you have a initial memory of that particular you are studying, then you move onto other factors for you to be labeled "learned"I agree with this. You can't just throw cards in an SRS and hope they stick - or, you can, but it takes longer and is inevitably more frustrating. From my experience it's best to memorize them first, either with the Iverson method, Anki's "Cram" mode, or even plain old paper flashcards, then stick them in the SRS to remember them long-term. Unless they're super easy in the first place, in which case it's arguable whether you need to SRS them at all.
It really depends, some cards will be learned faster than others. But that's the thing, your cards are to supposed to be really short, so you can understand them/memorize them faster.
What happened for me is that, once I knew quite a lot, it branched off into knowing a lot more/learning faster. And the more I kept going,the easier it become. Until eventually I noticed I could read a lot/understand a lot. Even though I haven't been doing all that much
I say, learn the most basic/common things, once that's done. Learn more common stuff, until you know all jouyou kanji. Once that's done,names,etc. Just keep going is what I'm trying to say
memorizing or learning ? - FooSoft - 2010-08-24
dusmar84 Wrote:Out of curiosity, how many reviews would it take before a brand new word would stick for you? What typially would happen to me was that Id get a new word, fail it for the first time, see it about 20 minutes later and get it right, then see it the next day and usually get it right but by the time it comes up again, lets say in 4 days, in that time I would have repeated this cycle with hundreds of other words and now my memory is all mush.For me it varies from 1 (straightforward readings, kanji make sense in context of the word's meaning, etc), to sometimes as many as 10. I would say the average though is probably around 3-4 misses per word. You just can't let failure get you down, don't waste too much energy on each card, and just fail them away. If some vocab becomes like crazy hard to remember, I usually end up remembering it based on the thought of "oh, here's that word that's impossible to remember..."
memorizing or learning ? - FooSoft - 2010-08-24
ta12121 Wrote:I've learned through experience is that, you need to memorize in order to learn. Once you have a initial memory of that particular you are studying, then you move onto other factors for you to be labeled "learned"Yeah, the thing is that Anki doesn't model the forgetting curve ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgetting_curve ) early on very well. A lot of the time just seeing the word once isn't going to be enough to remember it. This is because your first review shouldn't be in "8 hours" or whatever, but more like 10 seconds... Maybe like a couple of minutes later, and only then hours. By manually doing "micro SRS" you improve the chances of the fact remaining in your memory until you need to recall it in 8 hours.
memorizing or learning ? - jonuhey - 2010-08-24
I think studying + memorizing = Learning. (thats not the full expression, but it kinda sums up whats most important ;p)
In my case I study a set of kanjis in RtK (usually 20-30), then go to Koohii and study/read other people stories and I either create one of my own or copy the story that was more short and appealing for me.
After that I wait a couple of minutes doing other stuff, like internet, anime, movie, etc. Then a few minutes later I come back to koohii and start reviewing.
I also printed a lot of flashcards and am using them to review in the bus/college/work. I even made a stack system like here in this site, so that if I miss the kanji I put him back to the zero stack (or decrease it by a few stacks in case of a minor miss) and if I guess it right I put him in the next stack. Its kinda hard to organise them, but I hope it will be good to me.