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Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - kodorakun - 2010-07-22
Hi All,
I was just wondering if I could poll the RtK community for a reference to another thread or some personal comments on how they build their grammar SRS decks efficiently (i.e. not taking the time to enter sentences myself every day). Specifically I'm interested in working through the Kanzen Master 2Kyuu grammar list.
One suggestion I've heard and like the idea of is getting the Dictionary of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Grammar anki deck, looking up a KM2K grammar point, then un-suspending items pertinent to that grammar point. I actually own the beginner and intermediate version of these books so I can read the more detailed discussion, too.
My problem right now is that the grammar deck is only tagged with "intermediate", "advanced" or "beginner" for each sentence, so there isn't a very good way to search for the ~10 example sentences that are meant to demonstrate a specific grammar point. When I search for a grammar phrase I get all sentences in the entire ~8500 sentences that contain that grammar usage, which sometimes is a bit overkill. Is there a better way to isolate the sentences specific to each grammar point?
Has any one run into a similar problem? Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - rachels - 2010-07-23
Just type in a good portion of the English translation of the sentence. That should select the correct first sentence of your group, then keeping that sentence selected, delete the English text from the search box. You will then have all sentences showing with one highlighted. If you are displaying by 'fact created' ( right hand selection box), the sentences should be displayed in the same order as the book. You can then look at them, select the appropriate 10 or so, tag them, and prioritise or schedule them.
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - Thora - 2010-07-23
I'm tempted to say more examples can't hurt, but I suppose searching something like "と” would be overwhelming number. lol
Does the deck have a field identifying the relevant grammar point? I recall an Anki plugin that allowed you to search in particular fields.
[oh, you have the books - removed irrelevant last suggestion]
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - Nukemarine - 2010-07-23
It might take work, but a coordinated group could put out a spreadsheet using that anki deck. Then it's a matter of adding addition stuff (section heading, meaning, formation, extra notes depending on the sentence). This is assuming the sentences in the deck were entered in order of the books.
The benefit of the Kanzen Master spreadsheets is each sentence also has all the grammar points to help hammer home the meaning. DOB(I,A)JG spreadsheets could top that (though use the KM2 topic ordering).
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - rachels - 2010-07-23
If you own the books AND have the pdfs for DBG, its a fairly quick and efficient process to take screen shots of the pages for a topic, then add them as images to the first card in the group and then select all and copy from that image field and then paste into the image fields of the remaining cards of that grammar point. Then you have the whole section in your answer card, in case you want to refer to it. One wouldn't want to do this for the whole book in one go, but one topic a day would only take a few minutes..
Or to be slightly quicker, when you have added the pictures to the image field of one card, copy the text from the html editor of that card to the clipboard, and then put the pictures in the rest of the group by using Anki's search and replace function. It works! You can replace the completely blank field with the clipboard text, being careful to limit the operation to the desired field and desired cards. Just in case, Anki's undo edit function has never failed me.
Html editor = button with >> symbol, then button under that.
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - Tobberoth - 2010-07-23
We have a KM2 spreadsheet on google docs with all the info from the books copy-pasteable. I can invite you to it if you send me an email.
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - kodorakun - 2010-07-23
Thanks for the comments everyone. I think Rachels' method might work best for me in terms of minimal effort on my behalf. I've done a lot of building my own anki decks previously and I've found it very time consuming. I know there is benefits to doing the work yourself, but right now I'm extremely busy so I'm really looking for as silver a bullet as possible in getting this done efficiently. The Core6K spreadsheet import to anki, for example, was wonderful -- spend a few minutes getting it setup, set to XX new cards per day and boom! No more deck creating overhead time for MONTHS
@Nukemarine, I must admit that I love your willingness to take on coordinated "attacks" on any form of learning material. However, at this point I'm not looking to fully digitize the D{B,I,A}G books, especially as I have two sitting on my desk... And especially since it's apparently already been done!
@Tobberoth, I'll be emailing you soon!
Thanks again all.
k.
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - Nukemarine - 2010-07-23
Kodorakun,
It's that it is already done that it makes sense to make it into a spreadsheet with a few more fields added to the sentences. Mainly "topic" and "description" and "formation" which is useful information to have at the ready (such as when doing Anki reviews and you miss a card) instead of running back to a book to look up the description. Adding that information that is copied over 5 to 10 sample sentences is not an huge task, though it is still tedious.
Of course, if the Anki deck's sentences are out of order of the book, then it's a moot point since it would take a lot of effort to reorganize everything.
Personally, I prefer KM2, but I have the first two dictionaries and can see how having a detailed spreadsheet for those can help. If nothing else, re-importing into anki is simple as copy/paste just the section you're looking at.
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - kodorakun - 2010-07-24
Fair point, Nukemarine, though my current interest is to only focus on the sections of the dictionaries that are grammar points from KM2. Tobberoth's spreadsheet sounds like it will be exactly what I'm looking for, but I haven't seen it yet.
On that note... Tobberoth, I sent you a message on here the other day, did you get it? I haven't heard back or received a google doc invite yet. Let me know if there's a preferred method of contact.
Cheers,
k.
Most efficient grammar SRS deck formation? - Nukemarine - 2010-07-24
kodorakun Wrote:Fair point, Nukemarine, though my current interest is to only focus on the sections of the dictionaries that are grammar points from KM2. Tobberoth's spreadsheet sounds like it will be exactly what I'm looking for, but I haven't seen it yet.Here's the link to the KM2 spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlUm_63a4ozScHBaYjdFS0ZOS2dBeXNjYlB4Vl9YTXc&hl=en#gid=0
On that note... Tobberoth, I sent you a message on here the other day, did you get it? I haven't heard back or received a google doc invite yet. Let me know if there's a preferred method of contact.
Cheers,
k.
Skinnyneo is the owner, so e-mail a proof of purchase of some sort (usually a picture of the book at your place with your e-mail in view on a piece of paper). That should get you access. There's another link for KM1 when you get to that point.
PS: use it in conjunction with the Tanos.uk page which has english translations of the grammar points.