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whats the reading of this - loverkanji - 2010-07-20

in:
神の存在を信じる人もいれば、信じない人もいる。
what is the reading of 人 ?
thanks

whats the reading of this - yudantaiteki - 2010-07-20

I would assume it's just ひと; is there some reason you suspect a different reading?

whats the reading of this - loverkanji - 2010-07-20

no, I want to add this sentence to my anki deck but I don't want to have any errors.

whats the reading of this - Aijin - 2010-07-20

Yudan is trying to trick you, don't let yourself be deceived!

The reading is とうきょうとっきょきょかきょく.

But one must chant the entire sentence ten times quickly before the incantation will come into effect.

whats the reading of this - yudantaiteki - 2010-07-20

loverkanji Wrote:no, I want to add this sentence to my anki deck but I don't want to have any errors.

I'm just curious why you asked only about that character and not the other ones; it's a little odd because 人 is usually one of the first characters people learn.

whats the reading of this - Mushi - 2010-07-20

yudantaiteki Wrote:I'm just curious why you asked only about that character and not the other ones; it's a little odd because 人 is usually one of the first characters people learn.

Probably because it may appear ambiguous when looked up in some dictionaries due to it having multiple on-yomi, and not being in the context of a compound word or okurigana.

whats the reading of this - ta12121 - 2010-07-20

Mushi Wrote:
yudantaiteki Wrote:I'm just curious why you asked only about that character and not the other ones; it's a little odd because 人 is usually one of the first characters people learn.
Probably because it may appear ambiguous when looked up in some dictionaries due to it having multiple on-yomi, and not being in the context of a compound word or okurigana.

i get annoyed when a kanji has so many readings. Just keep reading and everything will get easier int ime.

whats the reading of this - Blahah - 2010-07-20

ta12121 Wrote:
Mushi Wrote:
yudantaiteki Wrote:I'm just curious why you asked only about that character and not the other ones; it's a little odd because 人 is usually one of the first characters people learn.
Probably because it may appear ambiguous when looked up in some dictionaries due to it having multiple on-yomi, and not being in the context of a compound word or okurigana.
i get annoyed when a kanji has so many readings. But now that I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter. It feels awesome to know so much readings/context!

whats the reading of this - masaman - 2010-07-20

Aijin is really bad. It's actually となりのきゃくはよくかきくうきゃくだ。
you have to say this ten times quickly too.

whats the reading of this - mezbup - 2010-07-20

Yeah, its ひと... that's a pretty simple sentence.

It could be じん if it were something ridiculous like 神の存在を信じる星人ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

でもそれは取り留めのない話だよね。

whats the reading of this - Tzadeck - 2010-07-20

Masaman and Aijin are making jokes I don't understand.

X(

whats the reading of this - nadiatims - 2010-07-20

One method I used to use frequently in these situations when I had to make a guess about a reading, is consider whether the word is a basic word or a higher level word. What I mean by this is, everything the Japanese needed to have a word for prior to contact with kanji/Buddhism/foreign science/etc/etc will usually have a word of distinctly Japanese origin so check the kunyomi (Japanese reading) first in a dictionary. Words like night, day, fire, dog, hand, house, leg, colors, verbs and so on are usually going to be kunyomi as these are the words that people have needed for tens of thousands of years (probably much longer). It's the same in English. Most of what we think of as the core vocabulary of English are of Germanic or Norse origin, and the more 'advanced' vocabulary is of French/Latin/Greek origin.

@Tzadeck
They are famous Japanese tongue twisters.

whats the reading of this - Mushi - 2010-07-20

ta12121 Wrote:i get annoyed when a kanji has so many readings. But now that I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter. It feels awesome to know so much readings/context!

I hope I can someday say that. The abundance of compound words in Japanese is either a curse or a boon depending on how good you are at kanji.

nadiatims Wrote:They are famous Japanese tongue twisters.

I can do the Tokyo one comfortably at less than half conversational speed - say 5 seconds, but it's impossible for me to say it in my normal conversational speed, which would be about 2 seconds. This tongue-twister was a favorite after-dinner pasttime with my family, because it it allows you to to point and laugh whilst exclaiming "Pwned!" and "Fail!".

whats the reading of this - nadiatims - 2010-07-20

the key to saying them at a reasonable speed is to break them down into individual words:
となりのきゃくはよくかきくうきゃくだ
隣（となり）の　客（きゃく）は　よく　柿（かき）　食う（くう）　客（きゃく）　だ

and
とうきょうとっきょきょかきょく
東京（とうきょう）　特許（とっきょ）許可（きょか）局（きょく）

whats the reading of this - magamo - 2010-07-20

nadiatims Wrote:the key to saying them at a reasonable speed is to break them down into individual words:
となりのきゃくはよくかきくうきゃくだ
隣（となり）の　客（きゃく）は　よく　柿（かき）　食う（くう）　客（きゃく）　だ

and
とうきょうとっきょきょかきょく
東京（とうきょう）　特許（とっきょ）許可（きょか）局（きょく）

It doesn't work for 手術中 (しゅじゅつちゅう).

しゅじゅつちゅーしゅじゅつちゅーしゅじゅちゅちゅー... Gah!

whats the reading of this - Aijin - 2010-07-20

Yep, the secret to Japanese tongue twisters is to try to keep each word as individual as possible in your mind, though that alone can be pretty difficult.
Practiced them a lot when I was a little prankster as a kid (would run up to people and say them, then run away Tongue

the confused expressions were quite priceless) and I can still do 東京特許許可局 in less than a second, mwahah Smile

whats the reading of this - yudantaiteki - 2010-07-20

Mushi Wrote:
ta12121 Wrote:i get annoyed when a kanji has so many readings. But now that I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter. It feels awesome to know so much readings/context!
I hope I can someday say that. The abundance of compound words in Japanese is either a curse or a boon depending on how good you are at kanji.

I wish I could say that and I've been studying for 11 years. I think if you feel like you're at the point where you never question what the reading of a word is, you're likely ignoring a lot of words you actually don't know. Smile

(I hope I never get to the point where I feel like I have to come bragging in threads where new posters are posting beginner questions.)

whats the reading of this - Aijin - 2010-07-20

I screw up readings too Smile

Plenty of natives do, it's nothing be ashamed of; the very nature of the readings system pretty much makes it so that if you DON'T screw up sometimes, then you're probably doing something wrong, I think. A lot of Buddhist terms especially thwart me T_T yesterday I was reading a short story set in a Buddhist temple, and had to look up half a dozen words for the readings.

whats the reading of this - Mushi - 2010-07-20

loverkanji Wrote:神の存在を信じる人もいれば、信じない人もいる。

BTW, thanks for introducing the compound word 存在. It must've caught my attention since they're in Heisig order, being from frames #684 and #685. A few hours later I coincidentally happened to see the word as I was reading one of the random children's books I recently bought, and I realized from the furigana that this is a familiar word that I wasn't able to read in kanji before.

Now it's committed to memory, and that brings me a step closer to removing another couple of kanji from imaginative story memory to visual and aural memory.

whats the reading of this - arch9443 - 2010-07-20

Mushi Wrote:
loverkanji Wrote:神の存在を信じる人もいれば、信じない人もいる。
BTW, thanks for introducing the compound word 存在. It must've caught my attention since they're in Heisig order, being from frames #684 and #685. A few hours later I coincidentally happened to see the word as I was reading one of the random children's books I recently bought, and I realized from the furigana that this is a familiar word that I wasn't able to read in kanji before.

Now it's committed to memory, and that brings me a step closer to removing another couple of kanji from imaginative story memory to visual and aural memory.

actually a similar thing happened to me. It caught my eye for some reason as well. Then I heard and read it later as I was going listening to リライト by Asian Kung-fu generation with the Lyrics(in Kanji/Kana) in front of me.

Now it feels quite solid in my brain.

could someone explain what that sentence means though?

It looks to me like it says something like

some people believe gods exists, others do not.

But I know I must be completely wrong, because that's just how things go.

whats the reading of this - Mushi - 2010-07-20

arch9443 Wrote:could someone explain what that sentence means though?

It looks to me like it says something like

some people believe gods exists, others do not.

But I know I must be completely wrong, because that's just how things go.

That's exactly right. "There are those who believe in the existence of god(s), and there are those who do not."

whats the reading of this - ta12121 - 2010-07-20

yudantaiteki Wrote:
Mushi Wrote:
ta12121 Wrote:i get annoyed when a kanji has so many readings. But now that I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter. It feels awesome to know so much readings/context!
I hope I can someday say that. The abundance of compound words in Japanese is either a curse or a boon depending on how good you are at kanji.
I wish I could say that and I've been studying for 11 years. I think if you feel like you're at the point where you never question what the reading of a word is, you're likely ignoring a lot of words you actually don't know.

(I hope I never get to the point where I feel like I have to come bragging in threads where new posters are posting beginner questions.)

I hope I didn't come off as bragging, cuz didn't intend to. Obviously there are readings I still screw up, only natural. Still got a ways to go but i'm confident I can excel just need to do more.

whats the reading of this - arch9443 - 2010-07-21

Mushi Wrote:
arch9443 Wrote:could someone explain what that sentence means though?

It looks to me like it says something like

some people believe gods exists, others do not.

But I know I must be completely wrong, because that's just how things go.
That's exactly right. "There are those who believe in the existence of god(s), and there are those who do not."

Oh cool. That actually means I'm beginning to understand things. Even if they are simple. Thanks for the response.

whats the reading of this - Jarvik7 - 2010-07-21

I thought it was a recipe for biscuits.

whats the reading of this - captal - 2010-07-21

yudantaiteki Wrote:(I hope I never get to the point where I feel like I have to come bragging in threads where new posters are posting beginner questions.)

+1

ta12121 sometimes I think you should re-read what you've written before posting.