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Temple University Japan - Tomnook - 2010-07-08 I've been trying to get into Japan for the last year or two and have had no luck yet. I am now thinking about going into deep debt by attending Temple Uni in Tokyo. I'd be going for a Japanese major, but all classes are in English *except the Japanese language ones*. There is nothing holding me back where I live right now, and living in Tokyo should help my speaking and reading skills. I will try my best to avoid all English speaking people when I'm not in class, I don't need more English friends heh. So... Does this seem like a good idea? At the moment a huge debt sounds better than rotting where I live now with no jobs. Anyone else ever been there? Temple University Japan - captal - 2010-07-08 If by "been there" you mean taking on a huge debt to live in another country- I've done that and I'm currently paying the debt off. It was a worthwhile experience for me, but being in debt definitely isn't fun. It's not cramping my lifestyle a lot, but knowing I'll be paying $350/month for 20 years isn't all that appealing. If I'm able to save up some money, I plan on paying off one of the higher interest loans. If you are rotting where you are, I suggest getting out, even if it means taking on some debt. You'll be happier with a change in your life, and even if it doesn't turn out to be everything you've dreamed of, new opportunities will open up. Temple University Japan - Womacks23 - 2010-07-08 At least study something that will justify the huge debt you will get into. Temple University Japan - TheVinster - 2010-07-08 Iunno, if I wanted to study in Japan I definitely wouldn't go to Temple. At least to me it's unappealing. Sure it's pretty easy to figure out because they have a location here in America, but it seems like I'd hate the amount of gaijin. If I'm going to Japan to study abroad I also want to take classes with almost all Japanese students. From the YouTube videos I've seen of people who go there, I also don't think I'd fit in with such people. Eh I'm not sure. Just for the record I haven't done any research on the statistics of Japanese-to-Gaijin students, it's just my observation. Temple University Japan - Tomnook - 2010-07-08 If I do go I plan to stay with a Japanese family or at least have a private room. Also Temple is the only university that is recognised by both America and Japan, they also try to help you into a job afterwards too. So far my favorite choices in life have been my stupid ones, so this could be good. Temple University Japan - Womacks23 - 2010-07-08 The chances of you going from Temple University Japan to a job in Japan are very slim. Temple University Japan - tent5 - 2010-07-08 TheVinster Wrote:Iunno, if I wanted to study in Japan I definitely wouldn't go to Temple. At least to me it's unappealing. Sure it's pretty easy to figure out because they have a location here in America, but it seems like I'd hate the amount of gaijin. If I'm going to Japan to study abroad I also want to take classes with almost all Japanese students. From the YouTube videos I've seen of people who go there, I also don't think I'd fit in with such people. Eh I'm not sure. Just for the record I haven't done any research on the statistics of Japanese-to-Gaijin students, it's just my observation.I agree with this guy 100% I'm currently going to Temple in Tokyo. I'm going cus I live in Tokyo and I wanted an American degree. The ratio is about 50-50. But the Japanese students go there to speak English. The Japanese classes normally push students back a class. And for study abroad students you have to live in some dorm. Now unless you have some Japanese friends already, i doubt you'll be speaking Japanese much. Most students I see come with high expectations and spend their time getting drunk with other students in the dorms. And as far as getting a job, can you speak Japanese like an adult? Otherwise the school will help you become an English teacher. That's it. It can be a great experience but not much gaining in experience in Japanese. You should go to a Japanese University if you want solid Japanese experience. Temple is great to physically be in the country, but you can spend day in and day out speaking English in Tokyo. Temple University Japan - Tomnook - 2010-07-09 Does anyone have any other suggestions? I don't think I know enough to survive a Japanese only college. I tried to get into a Labo internship last year and that failed. I think my family is tired of my self studying methods and want to see me actually do something soon. Temple sounded good at first because I figured I would just avoid all outside contact with the gaijins, but that sounds like it could be hard. Being an American college it would probably swamp me with homework so they can spend less time teaching, and then I will have less time to study and speak with Japanese people. Temple University Japan - TheVinster - 2010-07-09 Tomnook Wrote:Does anyone have any other suggestions? I don't think I know enough to survive a Japanese only college. I tried to get into a Labo internship last year and that failed. I think my family is tired of my self studying methods and want to see me actually do something soon.I'm going to attempt Sophia University. They only select a handful each admission period, but the Liberal Arts section of the university has their courses taught completely in English, except for, obviously, Japanese classes. My advice? Find some colleges in your state and figure out what Japanese universities they have study abroad agreements with. Usually it seems those schools are taught in English. I learned my lesson over this past year. Keep getting education where you are and try to figure out study abroad on the side. There's no point in putting all of your eggs in one basket. I can't tell you how much I want to study abroad, but if it doesn't happen for long-term then I'll attempt a short-term while going to an American university. Temple University Japan - Aijin - 2010-07-09 As others have stated, Temple isn't really the best environment to gain further proficiency in Japanese. Classes will be in English, meaning all your homework and studying time will be spent using English as well; the Japanese language classes aren't intensive; your peers will be using English. The Japanese students at those types of places are there for the English aspect; many studied abroad in America in high school/community college and now that they've returned to Japan are finishing their degree at an English institution. But the main fact is: it is a very expensive institution compared to American universities, and really isn't worth sinking yourself into debt for. If you are rotting where you are now and want to pursue a degree why not attend an American university? Japan isn't going anywhere, the country will still be there to visit and try living in afterwards
Temple University Japan - masaman - 2010-07-09 Most, if no all, Japanese universities have exchange programs with American universities. For example Tsukuba http://www.tsukuba.ac.jp/global/exchange.html Waseda http://www.cie-waseda.jp/studyabroad/menu_left/list/list.html Keiou http://www.ic.keio.ac.jp/keio_student/exchange/ex_partners.html#usa_canada Sophia (Jyouchi) http://www.sophia.ac.jp/jpn/studentlife/international/exchange/exchange_partner/partner They all are top schools. Get in one of your local universities, Learn enough Japanese to be able to take classes in Japanese first and go there for a year. That'll give you many times more Japanese skills than going there now and taking classes in English for 4 years. Temple University Japan - oregum - 2010-07-09 TheVinster Wrote:I'm going to attempt Sophia University. They only select a handful each admission period, but the Liberal Arts section of the university has their courses taught completely in English, except for, obviously, Japanese classes. My advice? Find some colleges in your state and figure out what Japanese universities they have study abroad agreements with. Usually it seems those schools are taught in English.I spent a year at 上智大学 (Sophia) and I would not recommend it. Why? (1) The English class a mediocre compared with classes at any decent US University. (2) The Japanese classes are too hard. (more on this later). (3) You will have virtually no opportunity speaking Japanese. Basically the FLA is great for natives that went to international school or grew up abroad. The classes are in English and they offer the largest selection of them (afaik). The student body (of FLA) is split evenly between Japanese / foreigners. Grading is lax as f*********k. Some classes ended curving down to 70s for a A (wtf). I went to my Managerial Accounting class like 6 times and got a C (holy effin cow). I would have failed with a 20% at UIC. I don't specifically know about Temple, but a degree from Jouchi is a guaranteed job (if you are Japanese). For natives a degree from Jochi = international education + fluent English, so companies love it. I knew so many people who got these amazing jobs. Everyone you talk to on the street will be like, you go to Joochi? that's pretty nice! I flew into Narita and the customs dude was like, Jochi? Holy moly, I'm can't even search your baggage you must be that great. The locations is simply the best in Tokyo, in the direct center of the Yamanote, so if you get a student train card, 1/4 of the Yamanote is free. On to the difficulty of Japanese classes. The language program at 上智 is what it's famous for. No curves (90/80/70/60/59.9=fail!!!), no extra credit, no excuses, no bs, period. That is department policy. Further, they will hardly teach you anything in class. You will have a textbook (SFJ/Intergrated Approach/etc.) and you will have to learn everything on your own. You will have 4 quizzes every other week and a test every other week. For each lesson you will need to learn 50-100 new words, and 50-100 kanji (including all reading and a ton of compounds). Grading will be ludicrously rigid. Miss a small tsu (っ) in a three line answer, and you'll be lucky to get 50%. You will also have homework EVERYDAY that will take you at least 1 hour to complete, 2 if you take your time, 3 if you never seen the stuff before. Did I mention that they do not explain the hw before assigning it!!! You need to learn it, so you can review it the next day in class. http://www.fla.sophia.ac.jp/academics/programs/fla_jpn.php Temple University Japan - masaman - 2010-07-09 Taking classes in English is a bad idea wherever you go and whatever you do. You have to take classes in Japanese. One good thing is, like oregum said, grading in Japanese universities is usually pretty lax and in most cases, you just need to attend all the classes in order not to fail. There is no probation ether, so chances of dropping out are pretty slim even if your Japanese isn't very good. Temple University Japan - TheVinster - 2010-07-09 Oregum you sure are good at changing my mind.
Temple University Japan - Tomnook - 2010-07-09 Thanks for the replies everyone. I don't think I will be going to Temple after what I have read here and on other sites. I think I should keep looking into places like Yamasa and other language schools over there. I just hope I can find a place that takes financial aid or lets me get a student loan because I have no money or job. Temple University Japan - Raschaverak - 2010-07-09 Tomnook Wrote:Thanks for the replies everyone. I don't think I will be going to Temple after what I have read here and on other sites. I think I should keep looking into places like Yamasa and other language schools over there. I just hope I can find a place that takes financial aid or lets me get a student loan because I have no money or job.As others have pointed out before on these forums, a major in japanese won't get you far, maybe into the country, but not much further Anyway, why not learn something actually useful? Like engineering, finance, programming. Or rather, advance in japanese to a level where you could learn something like the aforementioned fields in japanese, and that's it. I don't know about other people but I would never even consider just majoring in one foreign language....I don't know why, but it somehow wouldn't satisfy me....I mean why would I spend years full-time, and probably the best time in my life studying, learning one foreign language (regardless how good I get at it) when there will always be millions of other people speaking it on a native level.... no-no..study a real profession and next to it japanese, or study something in japanese...that's just my 2 cents ![]() Or think about this: if forums like this spread out in the future, encouraging selfy-studying (obvoiusly excluding teachers) then what will happen to the japanese majors? Or what if sy comes up with a revolutionary way to teach engish to japanese people just like Heisig with his system.... It's risky
Temple University Japan - Aijin - 2010-07-09 I'm not sure I understand that vein of thought. There are millions of programmers, engineers, people in the financial field, painters, authors, architects, chefs...everything. Why this fixation with uniqueness of the field itself? In my opinion happiness is derived not from the uniqueness of the field, but from one's skills in that field. There may be innumerable composers and authors, but there was only one Beethoven, only one Tolstoy. As long as one is passionate about what they do, and innately derives pleasure from it, then how prodigal they are even becomes trivial. Language learning is a process that impacts those involved, altering their cultural awareness, giving them another lense through which to perceive reality, and more importantly and simply: it's ENJOYABLE. Each degree has its own uses and applications, which is better is subjective to the individual. For someone impassioned about the Japanese language, with plans to enter academia, then a bachelor's in Japanese is perfectly practical as a first step. I know dozens of people who absolutely cherish their lifestyles as teachers of Japanese/those in the field of the language in general, and for them their degree was a perfect decision. Is a bachelor's in a foreign language alone going to open up career options? Not except in cases where simply having a degree itself is the important aspect. But for those interested in academia it is done on their way towards an MA or Ph.D. in Japanese Literature/linguistics/teaching Japanese as a foreign language etc. リービ 英雄 was an instructor of Japanese literature at Stanford, who then used his training to move to Japan and become one of the first American authors of Japanese literature, winning many literary awards and prizes, and even earning a nomination for the Akutagawa Prize. There may be millions of native speakers, but very few could match those accomplishments even though it's their mother tongue and he had to learn it as a foreign language. As long as one has passion, which in turn breeds skill, the sky is the limits regardless of your field as far as I am concerned. Temple University Japan - Raschaverak - 2010-07-09 Aijin Wrote:I'm not sure I understand that vein of thought. There are millions of programmers, engineers, people in the financial field, painters, authors, architects, chefs...everything. Why this fixation with uniqueness of the field itself? In my opinion happiness is derived not from the uniqueness of the field, but from one's skills in that field. There may be innumerable composers and authors, but there was only one Beethoven, only one Tolstoy. As long as one is passionate about what they do, and innately derives pleasure from it, then how prodigal they are even becomes trivial.Nice argument Aijin, but unfortunately it lacks at one crucial logical point. Actually I think you've just reinforced what I've meant to say: with a degree in a foreign language you have to be on the top of the field to make a decent living out of it. While on the other hand, for instance, no matter how many millions of engineers are there, apparently they are still not enough. So if you do a masters in engineering you don't have to be in the top 10, top 100, top x to get a job and make a living out of it. Of course enjoying what you are doing is important. But that alone can't be the determining factor. For instance I enjoyed astronomy, no, I WANTED to be an astronomist. I was reading books about it since I as 8.... did I go into that direction? Nope. Why? Because I wasn't skilled enough in maths, and phsyics, and it's not a job in high demand in the job market. If the demand is low, and the supply is high, the competition rises through the roof...that's it. The Op said, he has no money, nor job. I'm just suggesting that making a living he has a better CHANCE if he chooses some other field, which will be in demand in the next 10-20 years, and study japanese on the side. Or study it in japanese.....That's my opinion, although I admit I haven't read the latest statistics on eurostat. I might take a glimpse on them ![]() Language is just a way to exchange information. It's a tool. That's how I think of it. Of the top of my head I can only think of 2+1 things one can do with a major in a foreign language: teaching and translating, or academic research. I guess the latter is only for a minority of the students, teaching is a good thing but to be a good teacher is a totally another thing regardless of the subject matter (what is being taught), and finally, translation. Translating is good, but you can't get much money out of it unless you specialize into a field: ex.: finance, or engineering, or programming. See? It's a closed circle ![]() P.S.: You're the one out of the 2 persons on this forum whose' posts continuously contain english words unknown to me So I enjoy reading your posts, I always learn a few new words, keep it up! (The other one is of course Nest0r)
Temple University Japan - Aijin - 2010-07-09 I am not arguing that there are a very limited amount of career options for someone with a degree in a foreign language alone. If someone has no interest in teaching, translation, and the academic careers in general, then their career choices won't be improved by a foreign language degree any more than any other degree. What I am arguing, however, is that if someone is passionate about the field of Japanese and wishes to make a career of it, then there are options out there. If someone has the motivation and love of something, then I believe they should pursue it. Temple University Japan - shakkun - 2010-08-07 oregum Wrote:On to the difficulty of Japanese classes. The language program at 上智 is what it's famous for. No curves (90/80/70/60/59.9=fail!!!), no extra credit, no excuses, no bs, period. That is department policy. Further, they will hardly teach you anything in class. You will have a textbook (SFJ/Intergrated Approach/etc.) and you will have to learn everything on your own. You will have 4 quizzes every other week and a test every other week. For each lesson you will need to learn 50-100 new words, and 50-100 kanji (including all reading and a ton of compounds). Grading will be ludicrously rigid. Miss a small tsu (っ) in a three line answer, and you'll be lucky to get 50%. You will also have homework EVERYDAY that will take you at least 1 hour to complete, 2 if you take your time, 3 if you never seen the stuff before. Did I mention that they do not explain the hw before assigning it!!! You need to learn it, so you can review it the next day in class.I know this post is a month old but I haven't been to this board in a year and a half and I just wanted to say something in defense of Sophia's japanese program. I took Intensive 3 there (the last intensive available before advanced where you have to write essays in japanese) and for me it kicked ass. A few reasons why: 1) it was ALL JAPANESE for 3 hours a day. The textbook was all in Japanese. The teachers never spoke to us in English. We weren't allowed to answer in English. The teachers were genius at explaining grammar/vocab in comprehensible terms. This might have been dependent on point 2 though: 2) My teachers were awesome. They were funny, they told stories, drew pictures, and explained things well. A lot of my friends in other levels had bad teachers, and that probably explains varying reports on the program there. I think we actually were assigned the best teachers because Intensive 3 has a rep for being bone-breakingly hard. 3) And yes, it was hard. Yes there's a metric tonne of vocab and kanji to learn each week. But the vocab all comes from native texts (newspaper articles etc) and if you use AJATT techniques and Anki it's totally manageable. And you will learn A LOT, which is the point right? As for the homework, yeah there's an absolutely insane amount of it. Every day. Here's the solution: don't do it. Most of your grade comes from in class tests. I did about 30% of the assigned homework and still got a B because I aced every vocab/grammar/kanji test thanks to Anki, and every oral/listening test thanks to hanging out with friends. I spent maybe 5 hours max a week making cards and studying, and did my anki reviews on the train. I was in three clubs and spent most of my time at nomikai. I also cut class a lot. So long as I SRS'd all the material and kept up on reviews it didn't matter. A side note: my kanji teacher especially wrote INSANE tests. for a RTK grad these were a fun challenge but I felt bad for some of my classmates. by the end of the semester some of them were on the verge of mental breakdown. Oh yeah, and the English liberal arts classes are embarrassing. But I liked that too. An easy pass and more time to spend on Japanese/being in the middle of freaking Tokyo. Temple University Japan - shakkun - 2010-08-07 Oh, also true: People really do flip out when you say you're from Jouchi. Even when you explain that getting in as a ryuugakusei is dead easy (it is). Temple University Japan - oregum - 2010-08-08 @shakkun. I also heard some of the higher level classes were better. The near advanced students had the best improvements. I also want to note that, everyone who took advanced classes said they were brutal. I took M1 & M2, and only liked one of the three teachers I had. I didn't know about Anki at the time, it would have really helped (A LOT). The main problem for me, was that 95% of everything was new, so I needed to do the homework. Most of the other students had several years of Japanese and the majority of the material was a review for them. M2 was also done primarily in Japanese, so I enjoyed that aspect. For those who are not familiar, this is jouchis program layout JPN1 - M1- - Intensive1 JPN2 - M1-M2 - Intensive1-2 JPN3 - M2- - Intensive2-3 JPN4 - - - Intensive3 ADV1 ADV2 ADV3 R&W1 R&W2 R&W3 College Skill Composition Translation1 Translation2 Temple University Japan - ptcoakley - 2010-08-08 Possibly a dead discussion but I figured I'd post my thoughts: I have a Japanese degree and to be honest I would never advise anyone to major in any foreign language unless they're planning on going to grad school. You won't get a job with a Japanese degree alone, and unless you have another skill or experience in a profession there's only so much being able to speak the language will do. Another thing to keep in mind is that you can (and most did in my program, including myself) get burned out on language classes. It starts out fun enough, but eventually it becomes a chore and loses the charm of doing it for fun on your own time. Did the classes help me? Sure, I got a solid foundation for the language. But to be honest even by the time you hit advanced classes you're not really pushing yourself, and you could probably be doing more if you spent your free time doing it as something you enjoy rather than sitting in class for 6 hrs a week with other students who have varying skill levels and the same bad habits you yourself pick up from floating through any other college course. As for studying abroad, if I could do it again I would have taken non-language courses. My classes were easy for the most part, but we spent about 4 hrs every weekday sitting around going over stuff in the book that you could do faster and more efficiently. Also from my experience most of us never wanted to speak much Japanese because of how much you do in class. By the 2nd semester I envied all the kids taking business classes, even the ones in English, just because you got to interact more with students at the school and not just the same group you live and hang out with. tl;dr: study something more useful and work on your Japanese on your own, possibly setting your goal to N1 instead of wasting your time taking classes that likely won't help anyways Temple University Japan - shakkun - 2010-08-08 @oregum oh yeah, for sure without Anki and RTK under my belt it would have been absolutely brutal. I'd also been hardcore AJATTing for half a year before I went so I had the "feel" for the language or whatever. Our Kanji teacher actually told the class about Anki. But she was just like, "everyone has their own way of studying, some of you might like this?". As far as I know only one other guy was using it, and only inconsistently. :/ |