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Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Haych - 2010-06-30
Yea, as it stands right now, I am using wwwjdic's example sentences. I know they come from the tanaka corpus, which is supposed to be bad somehow (not quite sure why...). Im not studying the sentences given there, I am just using them to gain more of a feeling for how the word is used. So right now I dont see a problem with it, but if someone has a better source, I'd like to know. However, they MUST have translations, so dont tell me "the world is your example sentence database" or something along those lines, because thats not what I need.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - oregum - 2010-07-01
Not sure what your level is, guessing beginner. There should be a ton of posts on this topic. Have you tried searching?
Tae Kim (500-800 Sentences)
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
JPod Transcripts (1,000s (?) Sentences)
http://www.japanesepod101.com/index.php
[1 week free access to transcripts, download all you need]
Smart.fm (10,000 (?) Sentences)
Core2000 http://smart.fm/series/3318
Core6000 http://smart.fm/series/3321
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Haych - 2010-07-01
Those arent exactly what I am looking for. What I meant by example sentence database is something where you can type in a word in kana or kanji (hopefully, it should be smarter than Ctrl+F) and it will find multiple premade sentences which use the word, with translations. I am NOT looking for real world immersion style exposure here, I just need a quick source for lots of sentences. And I have searched around, but all ive found so far is other sites which refer back to the tanaka corpus.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Asriel - 2010-07-01
Do some searching and see if you can't find the tanuki corpus
it's a little shady, in that nobody knows for sure where it came from or what it's for, but it seeks to have been made for some smart fm type software that never got released
if you can't find it in a few days I can search my external hard drives and upload it somewhere
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - oregum - 2010-07-01
You're prolly not gonna find something like Tanaka Corpus.
You can download several massive shared decks via anki, export each to a different spreadsheet-sheet then ctrl+f the workbook. Even if ctrl+f not the 'smartest' you're prolly gonna have to deal.
There are several J-J dictionaries that have great sentences, but they're J-J.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - oregum - 2010-07-01
@ Asriel
This is the Tanaka Corpus http://jisho.org/sentences/
"Example Sentences (updated weekly)
Roughly 160,000 bilingual example sentences compiled by Professor Yasuhito Tanaka and heavily edited by Jim Breen and Paul Blay.
The file is in the public domain but details from Jim Breen can be found at the example file page. "
file page:
http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Tanaka_Corpus
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - squarezebra - 2010-07-01
Oregum, Asriel was talking about the Tanuki Corpus, NOT the Tanaka corpus.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - oregum - 2010-07-01
squarezebra Wrote:Oregum, Asriel was talking about the Tanuki Corpus, NOT the Tanaka corpus.My mistake, I did not realize the two were mutually exlusive. Did a quick search.
There is a "7128 japanese sentences tanuki" for Anki
I also found a dl link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HVIT2JHQ
However, they don't have sentence translations in English as Haych requested.
I ran through a few sentences and I think I'll hold on to it for myself.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Burritolingus - 2010-07-01
Haych Wrote:What I meant by example sentence database is something where you can type in a word in kana or kanji (hopefully, it should be smarter than Ctrl+F) and it will find multiple premade sentences which use the word, with translations.Smart.fm is pretty decent for that, if limited compared to Tanaka Corpus. Plus, Smart.fm's sentences tend to be grammatically very simple, business/school oriented and generally rather dull, but hey!
As for Tanaka Corpus, if you're careful and know what to look out for, it isn't all that bad. I use jisho.org's sentence search to find common words containing kanji I want to learn, for example. I then take those words over to Smart.fm or Yahoo!辞書, and more often than not, I can find some decent example sentences.
As for the sentences of Tanaka Corpus itself... they can be really, really bad. Sometimes the Japanese is terrible, sometimes the English, sometimes both. Sometimes, the two don't match in the slightest, and often times, one is the literal and very awkward translation of the other. Proper sentences do exist in there, but you must proceed with caution if you really want to mine that thing.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - pm215 - 2010-07-01
Haych Wrote:Yea, as it stands right now, I am using wwwjdic's example sentences. I know they come from the tanaka corpus, which is supposed to be bad somehow (not quite sure why...).Basically, Professor Tanaka farmed out the creation of the corpus to his students by asking them to put in 300 sentences each. Some students were lazier than others :-) So the original corpus was a mix of natural Japanese with English translations, English original sentences with literal Japanese translations (cribbed from textbooks etc, presumably), sentences with typoes or henkan misses, sentences with completely irrelevant translations (where the English and Japanese apparently got out of sync), translations of song lyrics, lots of duplicates, apparent use of machine translation, and so on.
A lot of people have done a lot of work on improving the corpus, weeding out these errors, and so on. But it still needs to be used with a little caution and awareness of the kinds of errors you might find in it.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - LazyNomad - 2010-07-01
To OP
Hint: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=5604
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Tobberoth - 2010-07-01
I would use Kenkyuusha's big japanese-english dictionary, a.k.a the green goddess, it contains loads of extremely good sentences with English translations. However, the translations are GOOD translations, not literal bad ones, so you need at least some skill in Japanese to realize what is what.
Another option is this:
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E8%BE%9E%E6%9B%B8&stype=0&dtype=3
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Transparent_Aluminium - 2010-07-01
If you want to access the Tanaka corpus, at least go to http://www.Tatoeba.org where you'll find the best/ most up to date version. It's constantly getting updated and not that bad really.
Alternatives include using dictionaries which have example sentences (e.g. those at yahoo jisho).
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Asriel - 2010-07-01
Aah, I guess I didn't realize that the Tanuki Corpus wasn't translated...
I definitely 2nd Tobberoth, then. Green Goddess, or: 研究社新和英辞典第５版, I think is the full name of the one I have.
I went on a "mission" to find something with good example sentences a while back, and I definitely cannot recommend Kenkyuusha enough.
The problem being that it costs money, unless you like to pirate stuff >.O
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Haych - 2010-07-01
I think yahoo and ALC will serve my needs. I looked into green goddess too but sheesh thats expensive... which is why it is good that I was able to torrent it. For a second there, I was thinking of contributing to the economy, too. Hooray for the internet!
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Tobberoth - 2010-07-01
Haych Wrote:I think yahoo and ALC will serve my needs. I looked into green goddess too but sheesh thats expensive... which is why it is good that I was able to torrent it. For a second there, I was thinking of contributing to the economy, too. Hooray for the internet!Doesn't ALC use the Tanaka corpus?
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Asriel - 2010-07-01
ALC uses 英辞郎 and some things from the Hiragana Times, etc
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - pm215 - 2010-07-02
Magamo had some useful opinions on Eijiro in this post and some followups to it.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - aslx3 - 2010-07-02
Did anyone link to this http://jp.wordmind.com/ yet?
sounds like what you're looking for.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - Eikyu - 2010-07-02
Wordmind is merely using the Tanaka/Edict/Tatoeba.org data.
Need a Good Source for Translated Example Sentences - crayonmaster - 2010-07-02
Did anyone mention goo yet?
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/
I searched for ながれる with the 和英 bullet selected, and got a bunch of example sentences with translations: http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/je2/56102/m0u/%E6%B5%81%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B/
Try it out.