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Need advice with Anki - Elysium - 2010-06-21
I've done slightly more than half of the RTK1 so far with a ~85% retention rate, but now I'd like to start my Japanese for Everyone book with the audio. The book has quite a bit of vocabulary, but a lot of it is only in hiragana. I was wondering if I should convert them to their kanji form. For example, in lesson 1, one of the first words is はちみつ 蜂蜜. None of them are in that stupid 'joyo' list and I'm uncertain how often they're used by common japaense. Oh well, at least it's good practice.
But is there a time where hiragana is prefered compared to kanji for native japanese?
Also, how exactly should I use Anki with this book? Should I add the sentences or should I split them up with the rest of the additional vocabulary? Thanks.
Need advice with Anki - rachels - 2010-06-21
I suggest that you work with premade decks so as not to waste too much time. Get a vocabularly deck eg. japanese Coreplus from the anki shared deck downloads section and use it to SRS all your new words. - it will already have kana and kanji (and audio) in it, so its up to you how much you try to remember from each card. If you don't learn the all the kanji straight away, you can just learn them later. With your book audio, the simplest thing is to just listen to it, while gardening, cooking or whatetever, as much as you can. To reinforce the grammar you learn, you could make a deck from the grammar points you learn, but that takes time, so it might be quicker, and give you exposure to more material to downlad a grammar dieck such as ? 8500 Sentences (the one base on 'A Dicitonary of Basic/Intermediate... Grammar) and just study those grammar points as you come across them. You would also need to buy that book, but that would be a very useful thing to do at some stage anyway.
There is also a deck floating around somewhere based on the book - 'Japanese Sentence Patterns for Effective Communication' which might be a more basic place to start with the grammar practice. Also a Tae Kim website and anki deck you could choose for grammar instead, but I am less familiar with that.
Need advice with Anki - Elysium - 2010-06-21
Hmmm. I still would like to work with the JoE book though since I find it interesting. Adding the entries could help with the memorization, although there's already is a premade deck for it so I can modify it to my taste. I woud like to do the Coreplus at a later time.
I already have the "A Dicitonary of Basic Japanese Grammar." So understanding the grammar for those sentences shouldn't be a problem.
Need advice with Anki - rachels - 2010-06-21
If you've go a premade deck, thats excellent. My main advice is try to avoid wasting time typing things into anki, when you could be listening or reviewing. If your premade deck doesn't have sound files for the vocab try the download audio plugin.
Need advice with Anki - Asriel - 2010-06-21
I find that sometimes the act of typing an item into Anki actually acts as that "initial learning" stage. For some words at least.
Typing things into Anki is annoying, but it's really not that hard. You're not wasting time if you wouldn't be spending the time listening/reviewing anyway. And you could listen while typing things in too, I suppose.
But if there IS a pre-made deck specifically for JFE, then feel free to use it.
As for whether or not to learn the kanji -- you said you're 1/2 way done with RtK. I would just learn the kanji for the words in which you actually know the kanji already. ie. 蜂蜜, you may know 蜜, because it's number 776, but you don't know 蜂, number 2687. So don't bother learning the kanji for it.
Once you finish RtK, you can choose to go back and see if there's words you want to add the kanji for.
Need advice with Anki - Elysium - 2010-06-21
Asriel Wrote:I find that sometimes the act of typing an item into Anki actually acts as that "initial learning" stage. For some words at least.Well I do need to practice typing japanese with inbus - Anth, so it's not really a waste.
Typing things into Anki is annoying, but it's really not that hard. You're not wasting time if you wouldn't be spending the time listening/reviewing anyway. And you could listen while typing things in too, I suppose.
Asriel Wrote:As for whether or not to learn the kanji -- you said you're 1/2 way done with RtK. I would just learn the kanji for the words in which you actually know the kanji already. ie. 蜂蜜, you may know 蜜, because it's number 776, but you don't know 蜂, number 2687. So don't bother learning the kanji for it.Too late. I've already learned the kanji for bee and the primitive 'point'. I'm concerned about writting half-baked words.
Asriel Wrote:Once you finish RtK, you can choose to go back and see if there's words you want to add the kanji for.Hmmm... I'll still give the kanjis that are ahead a try though.
Need advice with Anki - Nukemarine - 2010-06-21
The problem with converting to kanji is that since you are a beginner you don't know which is the best kanji to convert to, if at all.
To my shame, when doing the group project for UBJG, I asked contributors to "kanjify" as much as they could. So, words that didn't need to be converted were converted because we didn't know any better. Not a game killer, but I notice the problems with it now.
Basically, trust your resource for now more than yourself. As you get better, you're going to add on to what you learned early on anyway.